How do you pronounce the name 'Georges Bizet'? 212.76.37.162 10:50, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
"Jhorjhez Bee-zay", long o. 24.255.11.232 04:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
First name should just be "Jhorjh," only one syllable. The rest is silent.
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The entire main body of the article seems to have been copied and pasted from this site. Ross Uber - Talk - Contributions - 06:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I believe that the very first sentence has a small grammatical error. Where it says: "He was born at Paris,", it should read: "He was born in Paris[[.]]" The "at" needs to be replaced by "in", and the coma by a period.
I only bother you with this suggestion, because I find your encyclopedia to be excellent, and just wanted to help, a little.
Regards, Ovidio-- Operera 04:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
With no concern for racism (I'm Jewish myself), I am just curious: Is there any evidence concerning Bizet’s religion? (He did marry Halevy's daughter...)
I also am a Jew and find no evidence that Bizet was Jewish. In fact, Grove states that his "baptismal name" was Alexandre-César-Léopold. This article contends that his baptismal name was "Georges". Reconciling those statements aside, Jews don't "baptise", QED.
This article was cited as containing possible copyvio from The Virginia Opera. That article was copied from us, not the other way around. The page cited as a 'source' is for an production of Carmen that's running right now, while most of the text in question has been in the article for ages, and the text appeared in dribs and drabs early in the article's history. this diff, where an existing sentance is rephrased into the wording cited as 'copyvio', is a good illustration. So I think we're okay here. -- Vary | Talk 04:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone got any proof of the existence of any such opera? In the Viking Guide it's not even listed among Bizet's uncompleted fragments. Either it's a hoax or someone has misinterpreted a Portuguese word as being a title or it's a garbled version of "Namouna", the poem by Musset that Bizet used for Djamileh. -- GuillaumeTell 16:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I suggest removing:
" . . . evidently as a student assignment."
The statement cannot be documented and is certainly not evident.
The possibility that it was a "student exercise" appears to have originated with Howard Shanet in his 1958 article, "Bizet's Suppressed Symphony" (Musical Quarterly, 44:4, page 473): "Finally, the possibility must not be neglected that Gounod may actually have required Bizet to write the symphony after his pattern, as a student's assignment or exercise." Shanet's wording makes it clear that he is speculating.
There are problems, too, with:
"It seems that Bizet completely forgot about it himself, and it was not discovered again until 1935, in the archives of the Conservatory library."
This statement is simultaneously speculative and incorrect. Shanet deals with (and documents) the reason the symphony was "missing" for so many years, and the circumstances of its "rediscovery".
RussMartin4154 03:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
JackofOz, if you E-mail me, I will send you a copy of Shanet's article. That will answer in considerable detail the likely "reasons for it being 'missing'" part of your question. With respect to the "rediscovery", some sources state that Bizet's widow donated it (along with other manuscripts) to the Paris Conservatory. Others suggest, more likely, that from her it went to the hands of a third party, very possibly Reynaldo Hahn, who gave it to the conservatory. RussMartin4154 23:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
However Bizet did not live to see its success, as he died from angina at the age of 36, a few months after its first few performances, on his third wedding anniversary.
Being that angina is not a fatal condition in itself (people die from heart attacks, angina is a condition resulting from the repeated symptoms leading up to a heart attack, the symptoms themselves not being fatal), I felt tempted to change this to "Heart Attack". After studying both the wiki articles for Angina AND Myocardial Infarction for clarification, I have concluded that I am doing the right thing by "being bold" and changing it. Feel free to counter my claim and correct any mistakes if you feel I am out of line.
Cheers!
Seary6579 ( talk) 17:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I also fixed a few comma splices.
Seary6579 ( talk) 17:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
In the second paragraph, one sentence says he was sixteen when he wrote the Symphony in C and another that he was seventeen. I don't know which is correct, but the contradiction is embarrassing and should be resolved. Languagehat ( talk) 19:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Salut ! I will a list of stage compositions, first performance dates, etc. from the New Grove Dictionary of Opera now, and will footnote it. (If I add other info in the article at a later date from the Grove, I will footnote it, too, of course.) Tchao ! Charvex ( talk) 05:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I've read that after the premiere of Carmen, Bizet was considering writing a piano concerto. This obviously never came to anything, but I'm wondering whether he ever put any ideas on paper or whether this was just an idle thought. Google hasn't helped me. -- JackofOz ( talk) 01:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I have just skimmed through Dean and Curtiss but it seems the only project Bizet looked at in those three months was a projected opera Genevieve de Paris, although both sources say he didn't compose anything (not surprising given the severity of his illness). So unless something has come to light since those books were published this sounds unlikely, whether just thoughts or something on paper. Cg2p0B0u8m ( talk) 10:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
The recording is too old, noisy and, in my opinion, does not represent a fine performance. It would be perhaps be better if we didn't have it on the page rather than having a bad one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.78.36 ( talk) 05:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello - I couldn't find any reference in the List of Compositions to Bizet's prize-winning Clovis et Clotilde... Perhaps because it was unpublished? Or maybe because, as a cantata, it didn't really fit into any of the current category groupings? I note that the present List of works doesn't specify whether the works listed are 'selected' or 'collected'. I also just wondered whether Clovis et Clotilde might perhaps be notable enough to merit some sort of a brief mention in the 'Music' section of the main article. Hope this helps--( talk) 20:24, 15 October 2011 (UTC) [note: comment moved from 'list' page-- MistyMorn ( talk) 10:16, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I see that there has already been a discussion of Bizet's given names. I must say, though, I find the term "formally" very strange in this context. I even wondered if it could be an error for "formerly" given the lapse of time between his registration at birth and his christening. Could we not be more explicit: "registered at birth as A C L B" or simply "registered as A C L B"? This is a very small point on an otherwise excellent article but I think it deserves attention.-- Ipigott ( talk) 08:37, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
What about an infobox?-- Mishae ( talk) 05:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Every biography article should have an infobox. Rreagan007 ( talk) 00:27, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
It appears Bizet "borrowed" from composers besides Gounoud: for text and reference, see Wikipedia article on Sebastian Iradier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebasti%C3%A1n_Iradier 71DM$1 ( talk) 20:42, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
The first paragraph of this article states that Carmen is one of the most beloved and performed operas. I don't dispute this statement, but an attribution for this sweeping claim is warranted. Sammo ( talk) 22:39, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I was bold and reverted this. I doubt Brian would've added this in during the FAC overhaul. This seems to be trivia and has little to do with Bizet's illness and death, the title of this section. Cassianto Talk 14:38, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
The claim that he had a Jewish mother is not substantiated in any other source I can find. In fact, any other source that alludes to his mother being Jewish leads back to that small snippet sourced in the first paragraph on his life. In addition, I've looked up the surname of his mother and it is not a Spanish Jewish name, and appears to only exist in Belgium and north eastern France, which is where his mother supposedly came from.
I'm not going to take it out entirely but I'm going to change it to make it a more nuanced claim because I did not see anything about his mother being Jewish in official biographies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:69C1:2A00:9E6:DEF4:D997:5BE4 ( talk) 01:40, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
The 1943 Broadway musical Carmen Jones should be mentioned here. Both the music and plot are adapted from Carmen. -- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 13:24, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Older refs (such as Grove V) say his registered names were Alexander César Léopold, but his baptismal name was Georges, and the latter stuck.
But now, we're saying "He was named Georges Alexandre César Léopold Bizet, but he was always known thereafter as Georges Bizet." - which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as why would it be odd for a person named Georges Alexandre César Léopold Bizet to be known as Georges Bizet? It wouldn't have been the slightest bit odd, so the "but" is out of place. It would only have a purpose if he was known as something other than his legally registered name - which is what the older refs have always said. There's something amiss here. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 12:26, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
From the perspective of a modern physician, It is clear in retrospect that Bizet suffered from rheumatic fever (a post-infectious sequel to acute scarlet fever likely in childhood). He died of the accompanying rheumatic heart disease. The quincy noted elsewhere is what we would today call a peri-tonsillar abscess, the result of the infection itself, probably occurring years before his final death from heart failure. Today his scarlet fever would have been quickly treated with penicillin, thus avoiding rheumatic fever altogether; but had he somehow not received treatment and gone on to develop rheumatic heart disease he could have been treated with cardiac valve replacement. Navins 18:03, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
"More than 4,000 people were present at the funeral on 5 June, at the Église de la Sainte-Trinité in Montmartre." The Église de la Sainte-Trinité is placed with no relation to Montmartre historical district. 217.107.124.14 ( talk) 21:03, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
at the Église de la Sainte-Trinité, just to the north of the Opéra" seems most poignant to me. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 03:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Georges Bizet/Archive 1 | |
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Born | Alexandre César Léopold Bizet October 25, 1838 |
Died | June 3, 1875 |
Era | Romantic |
Known for | Carmen |
Works | List of compositions by Georges Bizet |
Spouse | Geneviève Halévy |
Signature | |
I boldly added an infobox (see right), but Nikkimaria reverted my edit. (And to clarify to that user: I did read the comment, and I read the 10-year-old discussion, and judged that it was old enough that a new consensus should be established, especially since that discussion didn't really have a consensus. Besides, the comment merely advises to read the discussion before adding an infobox; it isn't an interdiction on an infobox). We may as well get the discussion started here on whether or not to include the proposed infobox. ( WP:BRD) Edward-Woodrow • talk 14:46, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
|list_of_works = <!-- Link to "List of works" subarticles here. Do not list individual pieces. -->
Edward-Woodrow •
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17:45, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Well, if it makes sense to you and others to offer readers a summary of an article that tells them to go to an entirely different article, so be it. To my mind, and in WP's policy, an i-box summarises the article of which it is part. I just hate it when Wikipedia looks silly and amateurish. Tim riley talk 18:46, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
But the MUSTHAVEANINFOBOX lobby would have a fit...We could continue with this partisanship all day, or we could discuss the infobox. Edward-Woodrow ( talk) 23:16, 16 November 2023 (UTC)