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The article says 'Russel will be the first driver in history to finish two consecutive seasons in the last position.'
How can we know who will finish in the last position while there are still 4 races, at the time I'm writing?
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14:27, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Please show that the image in question is under an appropriate licence and does not have copyright restrictions which would exclude it from being usable on Wikipedia.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
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20:29, 6 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Please be aware, everyone who is currently switching the photo around, that you can't just upload someone else's photo and pretend it's yours. You can't just grab a photo online and whack it up here. If Sir George is sensitive about his photo then I suggest he uploads his own, preferred image.
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George Russell recently said in a interview on the F1 YouTube account that he doesn't like the picture of him on his wikipedia page saying that "first impressions always count". All I want to do it change the picture to something more recent and flattering. I will attached the image below.
Sally Sherman123 (
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05:36, 7 April 2021 (UTC)reply
And as a general note, please stop being so worried by a passing-by comment by Mr. Russell. The image isn't the best, but it's neither degrading nor inaccurate. If Mr. Russell really has such a big problem with it, he can fix it by donating a better picture to the WMF (you can comment that to him if you want...). I'm starting to be troubled by this, especially because of
WP:COI as some comments here have too much of a concern for what he says... --
Urbanoc (
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15:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Oh, ok. Yes I thought it wasn't acctually the author the one that uploaded the picture but well, I was not sure. And yes, let's wait until someone of his team upload other uncopyrighted pic or remain with this cover photo, that's acctually not bad at all as you said.--
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15:26, 15 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Yes, I saw you acted in good faith. My comment was more in a general sense, as I think it's time to let the topic die for now instead of opening a requested edit after another. We do what we can with what we have. :) --
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Hello, recently I watched a video on F1 YouTube. George says he does not like this Picture of him on Wikipedia. I suggest that you can change it to something else.
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Like what? We don't have a better picture. And a bad picture is better than no picture. If you have a suitable picture (see
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The picture on the page must be change with the latest picture.
No consensus just yet. There's a general theme in the discussion regarding Russell's promotion to the Mercedes works team, and it's still an open question on what his actual staying power is; he's one of the more well known "future world champions", but so are Norris and Leclerc, and there are too many unknowns right now (team performance, his own performance in a front-running car, etc) to definitively say if he really is the primary topic. It may be prudent to wait until around the mid-season break so the dust can settle and sports analysts examine whether he's still the next Schumacher, or if he's more like the next Barrichello. (
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Neutral comment - I have notified the jazz and horticulture Wikiprojects, as their George Russell's seem to be the most notable out of all the others on the disambiguation page, and they may not otherwise be aware of this discussion.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
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06:14, 29 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose: The current structure was introduced in 2009 prior to which the article on the jazz composer (now qualified as
George Russell (composer)) was the primary topic. Prior to that point I recall being a bit uneasy that this primary position rather displaced
the Irish writer Æ so accepted that the 2009 revision placed articles on a flatter playing field. While the article on this upcoming racing driver may be getting higher page views at this point (the first aspect at
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC), I am unconvinced that the proposed change would meet the more long-term second aspect. I favour persisting with the status quo.
AllyD (
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06:39, 29 August 2021 (UTC)reply
You've jumbled up the long-term significance of a topic with the quality of an article. Article quality, including the number of sources, doesn't necessarily indicate anything about the significance of the topic (various people, in this instance).
EddieHugh (
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13:33, 29 August 2021 (UTC)reply
What other metric for determining the significance of a topic is there other than sources, apart from
original research? An article is naturally more likely to have more sources if the topic is more significant, surely?
IronManCap (
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14:03, 29 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose per AllyD. There are 21 men listed upon the
George Russell disambiguation page, all of whom [for disambiguation page purposes] are considered to be named "George Russell", regardless of middle names, initials, honorifics or other characteristics. Taking those facts into consideration, it does not seem likely that the historical notability of the 23-year-old racing driver has reached such a level that it overwhelms the combined renown of the other 20 men. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs)13:03, 29 August 2021 (UTC)reply
The vast majority of those 20 articles are either stubs or short start class articles, with the only two exceptions being
George Russell (composer) and
George William Russell, both of which are shorter, less well-referenced and receive far fewer page views than this article. Just because there are a great number of George Russells does not mean one cannot be a primary topic. Another example of a clear primary topic among many is
Imran Khan (disambiguation).
IronManCap (
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13:23, 29 August 2021 (UTC)reply
With all due respect, being the Prime Minister of Pakistan makes you a myriad orders of magnitude more notable and likely to be the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for an article title than being a young racing driver who hasn't even won a grand prix or scored a pole position in Formula One. If Russell becomes a world champion or a prolific race-winner then there will be an argument that he is the overwhelmingly the person who people searching for George Russell are likely to be searching for outside of a brief period where he happens to be the most notable George Russell currently alive. If Russell retired tomorrow then his career would be a footnote in Formula One history and it's highly doubtful that in ten years time there would be substantially more people interested in his article than in those of other George Russells. While I believe it is likely that he will establish long-term significance over others who share his name in the coming years,
Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
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04:38, 2 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose The stats (pageviews analysis) indicate that this GR caught up with GR (composer) in page views in 2017, and moved past him in 2018.
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC – "A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." – I don't consider 3 years to be "enduring" enough to banish all other GRs to a disambig page.
EddieHugh (
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13:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Having looked at other's arguments and the sourcing that has showed up, I ultimately believe that it is
WP:TOOSOON to make this request. If Russell's career in F1 continues successfully I believe it's quite plausible he will become the primary topic, but right now his long term significance relative to others who share the same name has not been established, even if
WP:RECENTISM makes it easy to believe that he is far more important and significant than any of them.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
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17:20, 29 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Support per
WP:10YEARTEST - I believe that the racing driver, even if he never drives in another Grand Prix, will be considered the primary topic still with that name in 10 years time. On a personal level, I have never even heard of the other two articles, neither of whose articles are titled "George Russell" anyway, and a headnote across the top of the racing driver's page ("for x, see y") will be sufficient here.
Spa-Franks (
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15:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)reply
I suspect that the only reason you have heard of this George Russell is because you follow Formula One. Outside of F1 he is relativly unknown, outside of racing - even more so.
As for the
WP:10YEARTEST - do you have any evidence for this claim. In the absence of any I would take the contrary view. If today were his last race he would fade into abscurity. Only to be recalled by pundits when bringing up the write-off that was the
2021 Belgian Grand Prix.
Let us consider
Pedro de la Rosa and
Vitaly Petrov - they both had one fastest lap, one podium, no poles or wins (the same as Russell). They also both did more races than Russell (116 and 58 respectivly to Russell's 51). Petrov has also had some success in a post-F1 race career. De la Rosa post-F1 career is limited to testing. De La Rosa and Petrov had viewership of 4.4k and 3.2k respectively in the last month - this is not high enough to exceed the more likely than all the other topics combined criteria, with
George Russell (composer) and
George Waterfield Russell haveing a combined total of ~4.2k. Add the other Russells we are looking at closer to 5k. So, for me the
WP:10YEARTEST fails at this time. He only passes it if we
speculate about his future success.
Building upon SSSB's analysis, tallying the page views over the course of July 2021 (discounting August as this discussion may have skewed things somewhat) for all the articles on the George Russell disambiguation page (other than the racing driver) gives a total of 8141. This easily exceeds those of drivers like De La Rosa and Petrov, and is comparable to those of one-time Grand Prix winners like
Heikki Kovalainen (9786 pageviews over July 2021),
Jarno Trulli (8063 pageviews),
Jean Alesi (8714 pageviews), or
Olivier Panis (3621 pageviews). Even three-time Grand Prix winner Giancarlo Fisichella only had 10,225 pageviews over the course of July. I do not believe that there will be a significant argument on these grounds that this George Russell is firmly established as the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC until he has won at least five Grands Prix or a World Drivers' Championship.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
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11:44, 5 September 2021 (UTC)reply
A Mercedes contract does not contribute to long-term notability. Realistcally, only success will do that, or stuff he does outside of F1.
SSSB (
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21:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose per
WP:RECENTISM. There is no evidence at this stage that he is the primary topic, he is a minor Formula One driver. The only reason he is getting the most pageviews is because he is the only active George Russell, not because he is the primary topic (which has a condition of ...long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value...) again, no evidence that this is the case for (at this stage) a minor racing driver.
SSSB (
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07:03, 2 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose George is a very common aka popular name. So is Russell. No doubt wiki contributors will each have their favourite George Russell. So - which is more important - will wiki readers. The balance will shift over time. Just now there's a race at Zandvoort about to start and I hope the boy from Kings Lynn will have a great race. On recent form he most likely will, notwithstanding yesterday's little slide into the welcoming barrier. But it's not particularly encyclopaedic to send everyone looking for any one of several dozen George Russells on english language wikipedia to our man's page whether they like it or not. Most English speakers - even mother tongue English speakers - have never been to England. There's not a lot of Formula I in the USA or in India. Nor, for that matter, in Ireland. When it comes to people fluent in English as a second language, whether in China or South America, interest in FI is (1) uneven and (2) in many places more than a little "niche". Our "customers" are not ourselves. Our customers are our readers. We should try and make them feel wanted. Or....? Be well
Charles01 (
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11:59, 5 September 2021 (UTC)reply
The argument is basically that he may be the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for English readers, but won't be for readers in other parts of the world and therefore the article shouldn't be moved.
SSSB (
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08:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Allyd and Charles01. While undoubtedly the racing driver's star is in the ascendant (he's to move to Mercedes next season), it's
WP:CRYSTAL-ball gazing to assume he will be and/or will remain the primary topic. The argument that "His article has 98 references" is specious - it's really easy to add a reference from an online news report to back every addition of a new but relatively trivial sentence about a performance in a race or a comment in an interview; by contrast, some of the other Russell's - such as
AE, for example - are important enough in their fields to have had multiple biographies written about them.
BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!09:58, 7 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Sooner or later? So you're
speculating? The situation is also completely different. In the Leclerc case there was only one other page to consider (at the time) and that article was receiving less than 20% of the page views that the other Russell articles are now.
WP:OTHERSTUFF.
SSSB (
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08:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose. There are a number of George Russells on the list with as much if not more long-term significance as the 23-year-old who happens to be in the news at the moment. It's a common name.
WP:RECENTISM personified. --
Necrothesp (
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15:10, 8 September 2021 (UTC)reply
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Per
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the racing driver article with respect to usage is highly more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.
I give the example of the pageviews analysis from 1 August 2021 (the month this move was last discussed), to 4 July 2022, which continues the trend from before.[1]
I think the topic could now be well considered the primary George Russell with respect to long-term significance with substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than the other George Russell articles.
JamesVilla44 (
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09:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Little has changed since previous requested move. Again, if he wins several Grands Prix or a world championship, it will be far more likely that he will have the long-term significance to be called the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. As it stands the notion that this George Russell can be considered the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is just pure
WP:RECENTISM.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
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11:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose. As above RM - revisit when he has at least a couple of biographies written about him, and/or has won at least 5 GPs or a World Championship.
BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!11:33, 8 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment. I see in the previous discussion you used former Pakistani Prime Minister
Imran Khan as an example. Does George Russell have to run for British Prime Minister or something to be the primary topic? --
91.83.192.5 (
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11:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Not sure who you mean by "you".
IronManCap hasn't contributed here yet. And that example was used to support making Russell the primary topic, so I don't quite understand the argument you're trying to make.
SSSB (
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17:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply