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This article appears to link to the wrong Gary Thomas. I don't know if there is an article on the correct fellow.
The following section was added recently... Stanley Williams dedicated his 1998 book "Life in Prison," in part, to George Jackson. In Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's response to Williams' appeal for clemency, the governor claimed that this dedication was "a significant indicator that Williams is not reformed and that he still sees violence and lawlessness as a legitimate means to address societal problems." I find myself curious if the language used here might express a POV with regards to recent events revolving around Williams, or if perhaps the latter section regarding Schwarzenneger's comments might be better left in the page regarding Williams.
I modifed the "if not ... then who?" part. It read like original research (or a verbatim copy of someone else's research) Also, just because one is tried and not convicted, or is not even tried, does not automatically mean that someone else did it. All it means is that the jury thought that it couldn't be proved that the defendants did do it. This part read like the work of a conspiracy theorist. -- 71.141.136.236 10:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
If anyone's interested, I've proposed a new wikiproject for the creation of articles regarding specific prisons here. -- Cdogsimmons ( talk) 01:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Jackson was in jail not because he was an innocent. The revolutionary James Carr's book cuts through the crap, no wonder it is no "further reading".-- Radh ( talk) 09:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Jackson used weapons registered in Davis' name, this is a fact. Even french intellis who know that Davis was harrassed by the fbi on false charges, write this in their book (the one on Genet and the Panthers cited in your article.-- Radh ( talk) 10:05, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
"Other observers point to the fact that Jackson and Black Panthers founder Huey Newton were locked in a power struggle over the leadership of the organization at the time of his death. Since Newton benefited from Jackson's death -- Jackson not only became the premier Black Panther martyr, but one of Newton's major rivals had been eliminated and the Black Panthers' treasury had been enriched by inheriting the profits from Jackson's best-selling book, "Soledad Brother" -- some have claimed that Newton somehow engineered the conflagration.
George Jackson's own sister Penny Jackson was one person who believed that her brother had been assassinated by the Party. She made a trip to the Oakland headquarters of the Black Panthers to denounce them, holding the Party responsible for his death. "
I would like to see a source for the above comment because I find based on my knowledge of Jackson and Newton I find this comment very hard to believe. In Elaine Brown's autobiography "A Taste of Power" she stated that Newton and Jackson had a strong friendship-like brothers and they had the highest respect for each other although they never physically meet. There was never indication of a power struggle at all.
Besides would it really make sense for Jackson to be in a power struggle with Newton for an organizaion he physicaly cannot control or direct since he was in prison and his vistor list was strictly monitored? His own soon to be sister in law was prevented for visits and Elbaine Brown stated in her book that she had to wait 6 months to get clearance to see Jackson. I strongly believe Jackson's day to day focus was educating himself and others at the correctional facility, staying alive(he was facing threats from other inmates as well as the guards), and trying to get released from prison.
At any rate I look forward toward viewing the sources of the info i quoted. I hope someone could provide it soon
Please read Carr.-- Radh ( talk) 14:47, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
There are libraries, you know. Carr was closer to Jackson than you are, I presume and knew about his politics.-- Radh ( talk) 10:52, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
[User:ExistentialBliss] altered: "Jackson used politics as cover for his criminality saying “Marxism is my hustle." ... to ... "Jackson said, “Marxism is my hustle.”
The text below from substantiates "Jackson used politics as cover for his criminality".
It soon become clear to anyone who cared to look, however, that Newton and the Panthers were clever street thugs who used revolutionary slogans to avoid accountability for their crimes. As one of the New Left’s favorite black criminals, Soledad Prison inmate George Jackson, once put it, “Marxism is my hustle.” [1]
ExistentialBliss: please justify your claim in the face of the citation. Deicas ( talk) 05:17, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
"Judge Haley and prisoners William Christmas, James McClain, and Jonathan Jackson were killed as they attempted to drive away from the courthouse." Jonathan was not one of the prisoners as the wording suggests. I have corrected it to read "Judge Haley, Jonathan Jackson, and prisoners William Christmas and James McClain were killed as they attempted to drive away from the courthouse." Irish Melkite ( talk) 08:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Was there ever any connection between Jackson's death and the Attica Prison Riot in September 1971? Was his death ever considered as a catalyst in it. Does anyone have any information on this? From what I understand Blood in My Eye is not allowed in Attica Correctional Facility. 69.119.207.171 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC).
I am going to remove most of it, save a few of the truly notable items, unless anyone objects. ZippoHurlihee ( talk) 21:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Any issues? I have lurked here on Wiki and contributed off and on anonymously for years, but this is the first overhaul done under an account. ZippoHurlihee ( talk) 22:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
I would like to work both the publication of "Blood in my Eyes" and Jackson's relationship with Stender into the article, but not quite sure how to go about it. Any ideas? ZippoHurlihee ( talk) 18:18, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
It seems appropriate to rename this article George Jackson (Black Guerilla Family) instead of George Jackson (Black Panther). After looking into this subject it seems that the founding of the BGF is really his legacy and his membership in the BPP is, in retrospect, a sidenote. ZippoHurlihee ( talk) 16:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm not saying he was a saint but this article relies way too much on prison guards to describe Jackson. I can say from both experience and statistics that prison guards can and often are racists. We should NOT use them as the main description on Jackson. I guarantee you the prison guards are lying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.146.74.239 ( talk) 20:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
I am not that familiar with using Wikipedia - but the main article is a travesty. There is quite a bit about Jackson in the following book Peter Collier & David Horowitz "Destructive Generation: Second Thoughts About the Sixties" (New York, Simon & Schuster, 1996) pp. 22-66 . It does not paint such a flattering picture. Someone should add that link for "further reading." Also there is a quote from Jackson that according to Collier a& Horowitz (p. 38) was published posthumously as a revolutionary will. The quote is "the power of the people lies in its greater potential violence." I think the main page needs wholesale revisions. Hopefully someone will do this. Whoever does it should probably include the fact that there was an attempted murder attempt on Jackson's lawyer Fay Stender by Edward Glen Brooks, a follower of Jackson. This and much more is covered by Collier & Horowitz in their book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Just for the taste of it ( talk • contribs)
--Horowitz is a mentally unwell loon. Information from him would almost certainly not meet wikipedias standard of legitimacy. Seriously, the dudes a cuckoo clock. 59.167.111.154 ( talk) 01:34, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Partly agree with the above opinion. The article says he wrote two books (or is it a book of letters?), and that it was thanks to them he achieved fame. So there should be a lot of information about the content of these books. Now, there is nothing. That would also serves as an important context for his alleged escape attempt. I suspect that the emphasis on the "criminal" part of the story is the result of someone's POV agenda.-- 91.148.159.4 17:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC) - The presence of citations of David Horowitsz of all people indicates that yeah, we've got a conspiracy theorist whackoing about the editing here. Very much a bias. 59.167.111.154 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:41, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I note a lot of citations to David Horowitz. Horowitz is a cranky conspiracy theorist, and he's really not the sort of source that fits wikipedias credibility guidelines. George Jackson is a legitimate object of historical research and interest, and including far-right loonie sources like Horowitz just confuses and detracts from the academic credibility of the article. This needs a serious cleanup! 01:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.111.154 ( talk)
George Jackson seems to be a figure who is able to divide people. But some facts are indisputeable. That includes his criminal carreer. George Jacksons criminal carreer began at age about 10, probably earlyer. But he was always released to his fathers custody. Finally he was sentenced indefinite sentence of one year to life because of his previous convictions. Please try to find the facts. This kind of articles destroys the good reputation of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velijoze ( talk • contribs) 18:42, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I cannot fathom why this article has nothing to do with George Jackson's life and thought, and almost everything to do with his death and his supposed culpability in various kilings. George Jackson is internationally recognized as a major theorist of the struggles of third world peoples and people of color in the United States. The bias of this article is unsightly, to say the least - if you are reading this, please fix it by discussing his thought and work, or I will when I have more time in a month or so. Gjashnan 18:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree. This article needs to be improved dramatically, with more facts and citations. And substantial time paid to the theories and writings of Jackson. I only wished I knew enough to do so accurately. May 2007
I strongly agree. When I've had the opportunity to read Jackson's works again, I'll return to make edits, unless someone here is able to do so before then. Hash789 ( talk) 01:11, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
One of the worst most clearly racist articles I have seen in Wikipedia, I hope those with knowledge and balance can make it better so it has some merit. Bear in mind racists are using it as a source to incite racial hatred. There are reasons a Nobel Prize Winner chose to highlight George Jackson as a major example of injustice in America. EDLIS Café 23:34, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
I recently assessed this article but just noticed that Alssa1 ( talk · contribs) reverted my assessment without explanation. What did I do wrong? The reverting guidelines recommends that the reason for reversion be explained, even in the case of vandalism. Undoing my assessment changes without explanation means I have no understanding of what I have done wrong or even if I have done wrong. So I am resorting to discussion in order to work out why my edit was reverted because I think that action was unnecessary and like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. So now I want to achieve consensus before I make another editing attempt, as I want to avoid an edit war.
My edit was intended to achieve the following:
I am surprised such an edit provoked any editor to such an extreme reaction as reversion, as if these changes were vandalism. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 09:48, 7 July 2021 (UTC)