Reverted back the Criticism section. This section is sourced and quoted from articles. Stop interjecting you personal opinion here. Also citations in this section come from the parent article you're going to have to re-write the entire History section if you honestly believe this section is based on opinion because a source from that section is quoted in this section. Look, I understand that you personally have this believe and you have that right, but this should be based on scholarly sources not what you believe personally and that is what this section contains and quotes. I severely suggest you take a moment to remove yourself from the personal connection to this and then come back. You've engaged in edit warring and there is now a talk section on it as well a covering the injection of your personal opinions through misrepresentation of citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Illyduss ( talk • contribs) 19:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Firstly, you appear to be the same user as one who was recently blocked. Also, there is already a discussion on the kind of statements you want to add (above). And there was never a WP:CONSENSUS in favor of them. Your recent edits consist in large part combing various sources to support your own condemnatory opinion/conclusions regarding the study of Jewish genetics when said conclusions are not stated explicitly in the sources, i.e. WP:SYN. Skllagyook ( talk) 22:16, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Biased lead/lede ... "Jewish migration" indicates genetic studies are about "Expulsions and exoduses of Jews"

Change this...

Genetic studies of Jews are part of the population genetics discipline and are used to analyze the chronology of Jewish migration

To this...

Genetic studies of Jews are part of the population genetics discipline and are used to analyze Jewish ethnogenesis.

See examples...

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/702709 or search... The Geography of Jewish Ethnogenesis.pdf

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnogenesis

/info/en/?search=Ethnogenesis#Jews ... this is also biased 2601:444:300:B070:E90B:1155:46C0:DBB0 ( talk) 11:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The paper you cite above represents a view that strongly differs from those of the majority of research in the field from some of the most prominent and cited researchers/reseach (which acknowledges both significant components of common ancestry as well as components if non-shared ancestry from host populations in most Jewish groups). To change the lede to reflect a minority view and ignore the rest of the sources would violate WP:NPOV and would be WP:UNDUE. Skllagyook ( talk) 12:07, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The majority research you point to includes Harry Ostrer in many, if not most cases. He is clearly a Zionist and is biased. Eran Elhaik is also a Zionist but he is clearly not biased. Ostrer refuses to share his data with Elhaik, why? "unless research includes novelty and strength of the proposal, non-overlap with current or planned activities, and non-defamatory nature toward the Jewish people."

See ... /info/en/?search=Harry_Ostrer#Criticisms

Also see above ... /info/en/?search=Talk:Genetic_studies_of_Jews#The_Law_of_Return_and_the_Zionist_Campaign_to_Subvert_Science 2601:444:300:B070:E90B:1155:46C0:DBB0 ( talk) 13:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The IP is right that this article is over-reliant on Ostrer's nationalist POV.

The article Racial conceptions of Jewish identity in Zionism covers this topic in a more balanced way.

Onceinawhile ( talk) 13:25, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

To User:Onceinawhile and the IP: The research I am referring to is not only Ostrer (who is mainstream and widely cited) but several other researchers (including Xue and Shai Carmi, Behar et al., Hao, Atzmon, Hammer, Agranat-Tamir et al., the recent Ehrfurt study) who come to similar conclusions. Others, such as Falk have also acknowledged that the evidence supports the presence of a shared Middle Eastern component in major Jewish groups (along with substantial non-shared components) but is unsure by which processes by this occurred and to what extent (the horizontal vs. vertical models). I think the lede, for the most part reflects this understanding and is fairly neutral (though I would question the recent additions to it at the end, highlighting both Elhaik and Ostrer, as a lede should give an overview/summarize the research generally).

Also, the idea that there is a single "Jewish gene/genes" or a uniquely Jewish genetic profile or "type" exclusive to Jews alone, does not seem to be endorsed or reflected in the article (nor should it be, since that is not what the majority of the sources support).

To the IP: I do not think we have any basis to assume that Elhaik is not biased. His work and methodologies have been strongly criticized by other researchers. But it is not something we can know nor should assume (as Wikipedia editors) one way on the other. One thing that seems more important is how a researcher's work has been received by the community of experts in the field. Skllagyook ( talk) 13:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding your assertion ... "One thing that seems more important is how a researcher's work has been received by the community of experts in the field."

Eran Elhiak's paper ... Principal Component Analyses (PCA)-based findings in population genetic studies are highly biased and must be reevaluated ... is number 8 on the Nature Portfolio list out of 21,840 papers, indicating "how a researcher's work has been received by the community of experts in the field" https://www.nature.com/collections/jhjibhhicg

See again ...

"In terms of pure theory, Elhaik has published a critique of the methodology of PCA that undergirds the whole structure of population genetics. Re-analyzing 12 PCA applications he found that the method lends itself to generating desired outcomes, and is characterized by cherrypicking and circular reasoning. The design flexibility of PCA enables anyone to buttress preconceived claims about ethnogenesis. He illustrated the point by instancing the case of genetic studies of the origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Of some 21,840 papers published by Nature Portfolio in 2022, this paper was ranked among the top 100 downloaded scientific papers for that year." /info/en/?search=Eran_Elhaik#Research

Also, "Middle Eastern component" is a wide net that includes countries in the region, like Turkey, and not specifically Palestine or the Levant which is argued by the "majority" as the source of all Jews in the world today. 2601:444:300:B070:E90B:1155:46C0:DBB0 ( talk) 14:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Again, a paper being frequently downloaded is not the same as it's arguments being widely accepted or favorably received by experts in the field (also, that paper is already cited in this article in a DUE manner in the "Hypotheses" section). The use of PCA is still widespread in population genetics. The claim that it is unreliable would be fairly radical. The Middle East can be a wide net yes. But the researchers I mentioned have concluded that that ancestral component is likely of Levantine origin (though a role for Mesopotamian ancestry has also been suggested by some). Skllagyook ( talk) 14:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Jews may not have originated in Palestine, but rather in Anatolia and the Caucuses and on the Silk Road.

See ... /info/en/?search=Genetic_studies_of_Jews#Ancient_Israelite_DNA

Ancient Israelite DNA

As of the current date, the sole study on ancient Israelite DNA pertains to genetic material recovered from the remains of ancient Israelites who lived during the First Temple period. These remains were excavated from the Kiryat Ye'arim site. Professor Israel Finkelstein spearheaded the research, during which two individuals - one male and one female - were examined. The study revealed that the male individual belonged to the J2 Y-DNA haplogroup, a set of closely-related DNA sequences thought to have originated in the Caucasus or Eastern Anatolia, while the two different mitochondrial haplogroups identified were T1a and H87. The former haplogroup is very ancient, found in both Jordan and southern Europe, and later in Iran, the Baltic and Ural mountains areas, and among Canaanites. The latter has been detected in Basques, Tunisian Arabs and Iraqis, suggesting a Mediterranean or Near Eastern, perhaps Arabian origin.

The non-Levantine origin of AJs is further supported by an ancient DNA analysis of six Natufians and a Levantine Neolithic, some of the likely Judaean progenitors, the ancient individuals clustered predominantly with modern-day Palestinians and Bedouins and marginally overlapped with Arabian Jews. Ashkenazic Jews clustered away from these ancient Levantine individuals and adjacent to Neolithic Anatolians and Late Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans. 2601:444:300:B070:E90B:1155:46C0:DBB0 ( talk) 12:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

It was explained to you why the study on Natufians does not belong in the Israelite DNA section. Natufians (and Neolithic Levantine) lived millennia before Israelites existed. They were not Israelites (and major admixtures occurred in the Levant after the Neolithic that made them different). There is a study on Canaanite DNA also, and Canaanites were the immediate ancestors of Israelites (much close to them than Natufians were). But we do not include it under "Israelite DNA". To include a study on Natufians there would be WP:OR. Also please see my reason for removing your last Talk page post. You do not seem to have reokied or engaged in any way (except to reinstate it) Skllagyook ( talk) 12:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you know more than the author, Eran Elhaik? He says "The non-Levantine origin of AJs is further supported by an ancient DNA analysis". So this text belongs in Ancient Israelite DNA. You seem to block everything that does not support the Zionist point of view. Why do you get to unilaterally make changes without consensus, and no one else? Your opinion of the research is not the final word. 2601:444:300:B070:E90B:1155:46C0:DBB0 ( talk) 12:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

This is just one 8-year-old article in a field that is developing very quickly. It should not be given undue weight, especially if it's contradicted by more recent research. Alaexis _¿question? 12:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I have reverted a deletion of this thread because I do not see anything dramatic enough to justify that. Looking at the original which started it, things have gone towards an old circular discussion but I do wonder whether the IP was correct to suggest that our lead should not presuppose Jewish "expulsions and exoduses". I also don't like "ethnogenesis". Shouldn't it be something like "the ancestry of Jewish populations"?-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 18:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)