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Thanks but I was asking specifically about the Marginal Muslim Communities book because that might actually be ok as a source for this article. The two sources that you mention are useless and will be removed as per our policies/guidelines. I realise that you are new to Wikipedia and so it is understandable that you are unaware of many of those things but perhaps you could make a start by reading up on our position regarding
reliable sources? Aside from fixing
copyright issues, there is nothing here that needs very urgent attention: I'll be back here in a few hours when I have a little time to spare. -
Sitush (
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14:28, 30 November 2014 (UTC)reply
No problem, and I think we need some help! I've just been digging around online and there seems to be absolutely nothing that discusses Gayen as a last name in the context of this article. There are some sources that discuss it as a Bangla word corruption but they're insufficient to confer
notability. So, I then looked around to see if I could find anything for Gayen as a caste group, thinking that we could revise the article to fit with that. Alas, I've struggled to find anything for that also, other than the Muslim Communities book. I'm not 100% sure about the usefulness of that book because I've so far found out nothing about the (seemingly obscure) publisher and author, nor can I assess something from a snippet view.
I'm aware that the Castle exists and has been featured in the travel supplement of Outlook but, really, that structure should be an article in its own right, eg:
Gayen Castle. The problem with doing it is I have so far found nothing else to support such an article, and the sources we are using (including the Outlook piece itself and the deleted Wordpress thing) all come from the same person, A. Gupta. I think we're going to need a big trawl of Indian news sources, state and regional government websites etc to see if we could somehow bulk that up. Buildings such as the castle are common in India but mere existence and a write-up in what looks to be basically a planted promotional piece in a travel magazine may well also not meet our notability requirements. I wonder what the connection is between Gupta and the castle, if any?
I have a lot of books here at home and I have access to
JSTOR and some other facilities. I will plough through those over the next day or so but I'm afraid that unless something turns up it could well be that this article will be heading for deletion on the grounds that the subject lacks notability. I suspect that we might have more luck with the castle itself but I think even that might be tough. -
Sitush (
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18:09, 30 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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source3 mentions about their resemblance to Scheduled Castes.
As far as I knew (which is of no use without a proper source), Gayens were traditionally nomad-singers, and should come under reservation policy of the Govt. I checked, and found that they are included under OBCs (More Backward), as per
this circular (Sl No. 14) of the Govt. of West Bengal. Thanks.
Ekdalian (
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19:19, 30 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Thanks
Ekdalian. I found
this source quite interesting, as the following sources for 'Poundras' may explain the recent Zamindari history of the Gayen surname, as well as it's relation to the 'Marginal muslim communities' claim :-
I found something else too. The page for
Vidyasagar University states that it's founder, Prof. A. K. Gayen, belonged to the
Mahishya caste. Even though this cannot be regarded as an absolute source, it cited
this page as it's source. I couldn't open the page as it wouldn't load, so it would be nice if someone could verify its authenticity.
Here is another link to what may be proof of the presence of Christianity amongst people with the surname Gayen/Gain. It also mentions briefly the Mahishya caste. Hope this helps. — Preceding
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VishwajeetGain (
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12:20, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
The edit-warring needs to stop now - see
WP:EW. I've made some amendments to make a start on tidying this article:
We don't include links to external sites in the main article text. Wikipedia articles are self contained and a printed version would render such external links meaningless. I have removed the link and placed it in an External links section where it belongs, because a blog site is not usually recognised as reliable source for information and therefore it is not suitable as a reference (see
WP:RS). External links would not normally allow blog sites, but an exception is available for sites that contain copyright images, etc. that cannot be included (see
WP:EL).
The See also section is only for internal links to other Wikipedia pages. I've moved the external links to the External links section.
The image
File:Gayen Castle in Dhanyakuria.jpg is an obvious copyright violation of the first image published on
https://amitabhagupta.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/english-castle-at-a-village-of-palaces/ (the travel-blog site). The image was uploaded 29 November 2014 and the blog was published on 27 August 2014. The image even contains the watermark "Amitabha Gupta". I'm going to request its deletion from Commons. If
User:VishwajeetGain has permission to place the file into the public domain, then it needs recording through an
WP:OTRS ticket, but I believe the copyright belongs to the photographer, Amitabha Gupta.
The lack of a watermark is not a licence to steal other people's work. Did you take the photograph? You also uploaded
File:Gayen Castle in Dhanyakuria.jpg, claiming to be the copyright holder - which is palpably untrue - so how many more of your uploads are copyvios? --
RexxS (
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14:36, 30 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Stating all sourced opinions related to caste
Please note that we cannot pick and choose which caste Gayens or any other surname/community belongs to. As per our policies, we have to show all neutral and sourced opinions without any bias. We have valid sources mentioning three different castes here; and you are not supposed to remove such sourced opinions. If you have any concern, discuss here, instead of engaging in an
edit war. Thanks.
Ekdalian (
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14:54, 9 December 2014 (UTC)reply
The People of India
It is better to avoid citing The People of India because it is known to be a poor-quality source. An example of that critique is contained in the linked article and, of course, the umpteen volumes are very rarely cited even by the NCBC etc. -
Sitush (
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00:50, 8 May 2015 (UTC)reply