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I've had a go at expanding this a bid and getting the in-line citations sorted. There were one or two facts in the original that I just couldn't track citations down for (but look like they're no doubt correct!) and I have highlighted these with 'citations needed' flags. The comments on the pictures have been drawn from their original wikipedia entries. The overall tone of the article is perhaps slightly more positive towards Olivares than the original, but this seemed to be reflecting the weight of the modern sources I could find. The ambiguity over the Catalan v. mainstream histories of the revolt of 1640 could usefully be checked over by someone with a Catalan academic background (the English sources I'm using may have a slant all of their own here!). Hchc2009 ( talk) 18:50, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Though at brittanica.com his birthdate is January 16 (and "Pimentel" is misspelled "Pimental"), Elliot in an extensive history of Olivares's family in The Statesman in an Age of Decline -- the only biography of Olivares in English, I believe -- gives the date as January 6. Looking for biographical information in Spanish at Google Books, Siglos Dorados 2 at p. 1411, citing the Statesman book and a biography in Spanish, gives his birthdate as 6 de enero de 1587, as do the few other Spanish sources available there; I didnt find a source for January 16. Accordingly I changed the January 16 dates back to January 6. If that date is wrong please revert but please provide your source(s). Thanks -- LaNaranja ( talk) 13:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm not an expert on the Spanish biographical articles by any stretch, but it seems to me that the majority of the ones I've seen don't include the "y" portion of the person's name in the title, e.g. it's Luis de Góngora, not Luis de Góngora y Argote; Francisco Goya, not Francisco José de Goya y Lucientes; Óscar Romero, not Óscar Arnulfo Romero y Galdámez; Enrique Pérez de Guzmán, 2nd Count de Niebla, not Enrique Pérez de Guzmán y de Castilla, 2nd Count of Niebla; etc. I think the logic is similar to the reason why we don't include middle names in the article title unless the person's middle name is widely used.
So, by that logic, it seems to me that this article's title should be "Gaspar de Guzmán, Count-Duke of Olivares", not "Gaspar de Guzmán y Pimentel, Count-Duke of Olivares".
Thoughts?
Adam sk ( talk) 01:46, 6 July 2010 (UTC)