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For what it is worth, Sütterlin will be the wrong name. I know it is used on some of the linked pages and in the german wikipedia article Kellner, but see, german wikipedia, Sütterlinschrift, discussion page.-- Radh ( talk) 15:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Sütterlin. I once got my head bitten off suggesting that Aby Warburg wrote in Sütterlin, so it may be a raw point with me.-- Radh ( talk) 19:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
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I have modified the following sentence: "yet very early in the war Kellner recorded this in his diary, showing that even in the small towns, the average citizen knew what was occurring" ...because it is pure conjecture. "You heard of it, therefore you knew it happened" is faulty logic at best. Hearing a rumour is one thing, but the Allies heard the same rumours, and they disbelieved them also. The word that these atrocities occurred amounted to conspiracy theories, only conspiracy theories which turned out to be true. Hindsight is 20/20, but they had little reason to believe these outrageous rumours. Let us also not forget that the "Jews to soap" rumour flourished within Germany during the war as well, but this particular rumour has been shown to be false. Similar rumours circulated during WWI as well, and wars are in general fertile breeding ground for rumours. In WWI it was "common knowledge" among many civilians in France and Belgium that German soldiers ate babies. My point is, hearing something is not the same as knowing whether it is true or not. -- Tsuka ( talk) 22:05, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Because you have not read the diary, you are mistakenly equating it with a compilation of "rumors." You are failing to distinguish between eyewitness accounts of an event (which are in the diary) and a "rumor" of an event; between official Nazi military reports and "rumors"; between newspaper reports and "rumors." This particular diary is made up of eyewitness reports, military reports, and published news stories. It is not based on rumors, and that is why it has been so well received in Germany.
The editors of the published diary, German university professors in Giessen and Heidelberg, spent the past six years researching all the names and dates--and each one of the Nazi military reports and newspaper articles--for factual accuracy. In essence, you are doing here, with your "critiques," what you say you are against: you have not read the diary, you have only "heard" about it, and yet you are making assertions about it. I do hope you have a chance to read it because otherwise you are just using semantics to deny historical truth, and I would like to think that is not your intention. The German government--which has thoroughly read the diary--has now made it available in one volume for only 7 euros (around $5). Please restore the original sentence that you have changed. Thank you. Rskellner ( talk) 13:58, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
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