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"2-vessel and 4-frigate", does this mean two
ships of the line and four
frigates? Any type of ship, including a frigate, can be described as a "vessel", so were there 2, 4 or 6, ships of various types in the squadron?
Dabbler00:48, 30 May 2005 (UTC)reply
Woops, yes, that's a French-ism, I'm afraid. In French, "vessel" (vaisseau) refers primarly to large warship (hence vaisseau de ligne = "ship of the line", capitaine de vaisseau = Commodore), and only secondarly to about any sort of ship (hence vaisseau spatial = "spaceship"). So that'd be "Ship of the line", indeed. Pfui, nautical technical terms in English are not so easy to translate ! :D
Hey, by the way, would you happen to know how to translate tape de bouche in English ? it is some piece of wood which is put into the mouth of a naval gun to prevent water from ruining it while not in use... My best guess for now is "muzzle plug", but I fear that I would be missing a precise term. They are now also tradition item which bear the ars of the unit (for instance
here is the tape de bouche of the Jeanne d'Arc.
The English word is tompion, a wooden plug for the muzzle of a cannon which was usually decorated in the British Navy too. If you have any other questions, I can answer many and have some multilingual nautical resources and friends. It is one of my interests.
Dabbler11:29, 30 May 2005 (UTC)reply
Whow, thank you so much ! This has been one of my excentric preoccupations for some time now. Hmm, there's no
tompion article yet... that'll be an idea for the continuation (I have a number of photographs under a Free license), along with expanding
Villaret de Joyeuse. Cheers !
Rama12:46, 30 May 2005 (UTC)reply
Well, yes, I had my Naval Coffee break alreeady, that's why the French Navy is over-represented on this article :)
Rama15:23, 30 May 2005 (UTC)reply
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Is the author of this article sure that they have the correct number of Guns stated as in all references I have seen and been able to check, the given number of guns is 64, not the 74 stated in the article.
The weight of the guns also look rather heavy for both its tonnage and Rate.
I haven't seen a single publication that does list the Redoutable as a 64-gun ship. By the 1780s, 64s were regarded as obsolete by the French Navy. The Jason of 1779 was, I believe, the last 64-gun ship built in France. Try any of the authorities listed under the
Battle of Trafalgar for confirmation.
JimmyTheOne23:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)reply
MIrror-imaged paintings?!?
Er...these two paintings (both in this article) appear to be mirror-images of the same thing:
...both images claim to have been painted by Louis-Philippe Crépin (1772-1851) - the one on the left claims to have been scanned from "L'Empire des Mers, Martine Acerra & Jean Meyer", the one on the right says "The Redoutable at the battle of Trafalgar;" - both say that they were painted in 1807.
Clearly, this article shouldn't contain both of them - and one should probably be deleted from WikiCommons. So which one is the mirror image? I can't see any writing or an artist's signature to give it away. Both were uploaded by
User:Rama