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Put in information citation about Soddy and the Technocracy Study Course... which used Soddy as a reference point... because of his excellent writing on money.
skip sievert (
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20:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
That reference probably isn't good enough, at least in regard to the newsreel. It amounts to someone saying they saw a newsreel once, and giving their interpretation of it. Did Soddy explicitly talk about Technocracy and Social Credit in his book?
CRETOG8(
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05:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)reply
At the time every one connected to these ideas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biophysical_economics Thermoeconomics -, was talking about this subject. In multiple countries. Its an official document from the group mentioned. It specifically is quoted in context in the citation. To my knowledge no one has questioned it as not being a good citation source, as this link has been used on other articles on wiki.
http://www.technocracy.org/Archives/History%20&%20Purpose-r.htm History and Purpose of Technocracy because of its information content. It is not just someone, it is
Howard Scott. It is widely used as an explanatory text both within and without the group mentioned as to information connected. Soddy's book is used as a cited book reference in the Technocracy Study Course link below (In Wealth, Virtual Wealth and Debt (1926), and is still considered as a classic text and referenced widely today. Many other authors connect Soddy with the Technocracy movement, as he did himself... which as quoted, he also connected himself to it.
Here is another example of another person in another part of the world in very different circumstances than Soddy, who became an advocate for this type of system also in the same time period... when this was a burning issue of the day for many scientists and political and non political players.
http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/apr07/page10.html Socialist Standard April 2007 page 10
I'm not saying you're wrong (or I would have simply removed the material from the article). I'm saying that reference isn't adequate for what you're using it for. I think the reference is perfectly adequate to cite in regards to explaining positions of Technocracy, Inc. It's not adequate to establish positions of Soddy. Lots of organizations love to claim the support of prestigious people.
Without reading through all your links thoroughly, I still ask the question: Did Soddy explicitly talk about Technocracy and Social Credit in his book?
CRETOG8(
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17:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)reply
It appears that you are stalking my edits. You did come to my user page and do a personal attack recently. I have provided ample information above. In Wealth, Virtual Wealth and Debt (1926), Soddy turned his attention to the role of energy in economic systems. He criticized the focus on monetary flows in economics, arguing that “real” wealth was derived from the use of energy to transform materials into physical goods and services. Soddy’s writings were largely ignored in his time, but would later be applied to the development of biophysical and ecological economics in the late 20th century
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Soddy,_Frederick Soddy, Frederick - Encyclopedia of Earth. Soddy was integral to the development of technocracy design... as said he is cited in their Study Course in the footnotes.
skip sievert (
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19:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Football???
This reads like a prank and as such it is a disservice to those who use Wikipedia as a guide. If there is a factual basis for this section is MUST be footnoted and referenced. If not then the section should be deleted.
LAWinans (
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23:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I remember reading Soddy's book on Wealth and being struck by all of the negative language therein about Jews. Is there a good way to talk about his anti-semitism?
Arided (
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16:48, 16 March 2014 (UTC)reply
It would probably be best to find a good source or two for this, and then say that X and Y described Soddy as anti-semitic and explain what they based the claim on. That way Wikipedia preserves its neutral point of view (
WP:NPOV), and merely reports what someone else has said.
Dirac66 (
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00:47, 17 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Is all of the evidence of these views from page 322-324 of "Wealth"? Those passages alone seem rather weak to post a whole section on Anti-Semitic views... Soddy seems to be superseding/rejecting anti-semitic views on those very pages when he states that "of the existence of a real conspiracy—a conspiracy of silence—on all monetary problems, in the Press and on political platforms, among editors, publishers and economists, who more than any others ought to be alive and awake to their infinite importance—there can be no question whatever."
Source:
https://www.fadedpage.com/books/20140873/html.php
I am confident that in the particular paragraph there are mistakes in the text. In the paragraph begins with "in 1903", it should be identified as the different experiments done by different scientists in the different times. Ramsay and Soddy only verified that the decay of radium emanation produced helium in 1903. It was not verified until the experiment done by Rutherford and Royds in 1908, that the alpha particles are composed of positively charged nuclei of helium.
In addition, the last sentence is not true. They were Pierre Jansen and Norman Lockyer, who detected helium in the solar spectrum in 1868, instead of Bunsen and Kirchoff. If it is absolutely necessary, the sentence should be rewritten according to the fact as above.
Thank you for noticing these errors and also for finding references. I have now corrected the text as suggested concerning helium from radium. And I decided to delete the mention of helium in the solar spectrum, since by 1903 helium had been discovered in terrestrial sources in 1895, so the 1868 solar observations were already ancient history.
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14:22, 3 August 2015 (UTC)reply
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