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I've put back "celestial" navigation skills to differentiate this method from the "radio" navigation they planned on using once they were in the vicinity of Howland. Noonan was an expert in "celestial", and apparently did get them to within miles of Howland, however it was the failure of the "radio navigation" element that thwarted their final approach.
Probably (European Journal of Navigation , vol.6 no2 , July 2008) the use of the ship´s sextant (which he also used when flying with PanAm) to obtain a sunrise fix in the roads of Howland ,after having used the air (bubble) sextant the evening before to fix the position near the Nukumanu islands , triggered in first instance a hidden time error (false local hour angle)by which Howland did not run in sight at ETA. In second resort the crippled radio communications and RDF failure configured the laesio enormis. 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 12:06, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Noonan's importance in the aviation industry is as the navigator who mapped several commercial routes throughout the Pacific for Pan Am during the 1930s. His apparent demise as Amelia Earhart's navigator is noteworthy but not central to his contribution to aviation, and in my opinion it would be misleading to mention his famous association with her in the first line of the article. Wyss 03:33, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
According to TIGHAR's website, the Noonan born in Illinois was Fred C. Noonan. They believe that Fred J. Noonan was born in Norwich, England. If this is true, and it turns out that Noonan perished on Gardner Island, then this would be ironic, because the name of the ship that was wrecked there was the SS Norwich.
A baptismal entry confirms that he was born Frederick Joseph Noonan in Chicago april 4 1893.( Jackie Ferrari 22:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC))
Another irony is that the Frederick C(rescent) Noonan mentioned above actually sailed on the same ship as Fred Noonan (the IRIONA).( Jackie Ferrari 22:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC))
I have put Fred Noonan's genealogy onto the Noonan Family website. ( Jackie Ferrari 22:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC))
I have never come across Noonan as being referred to as JoJo. I wonder if the author might clarify this by providing a reference? ( Jackie Ferrari 19:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC))
The boson is a subatomic particle. The term 'bosun' is not included in most dictionaries as it is considered slang. The properly spelled rating is "Boatswain's Mate." 67.128.188.29Don Granberry.
I'm not aware of any content disputes concerning this article, so I removed the cite requests because their presence could imply a wider dispute, for which there is no evidence, or a certain PoV, which is so far unasserted here much less supported here. If an editor wishes to add some completed citations, wonderful! Moreover, if an editor would like to dispute any contents in the article, I suggest discussing it here on the talk page, or editing content directly into the article narrative with supporting citations from reliable secondary citations. Gwen Gale 21:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Gwen, those citation needed notes are there to identify reference sources- this is a typical marker. Put them back and I will start to edit the page accordingly. Check any other page and you will see the same markers- there were no reference sources given in this original article and for it to be considered a fully-researched work, there has to be citations given. Besides in your haste, you have also removed all editing including grammar, spelling and other edits. You have also removed the reference sections. IMHO, this is excessive reverting not editing. Bzuk 21:26 4 February 2007 (UTC).
Bzuk 22:01 4 February 2007 (UTC).
I would agree with Bzuk. The citation marker is not an indication of disagreement - it simply notes an unsupported statement. They encourage people who visit the page to contribute citations. This is especially important for a bio page where allegation such as 'heavy drinking', etc. are made - see WP:BLP. I think they should go back in. Ronnotel 22:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
In the references I have checked, the first Pan Am Clipper (Sikorsky S40 American Clipper) flew in October 1931 not March 1935 with Charles Lindbergh aboard, and no mention of Fred Noonan. Anyone shed light on this discrepency? Is it just a date mixup or have I missed Noonan on an earlier flight? The article states that he flew in San Francisco in 1935 which would make this a Sikorsky S42 (NC-824M) that was often grouped with the other "Clipper" fleet but was actually unnamed. Bzuk 1:01 5 February 2007 (UTC).
1. Is the licensed sea captain known for carrying a ship's sextant on flights, Noonan? 2. Why did he resign from Pan Am? I cannot find a reference for a date of leaving or any indication of why he left Pan Am. Could he have left specifically to join the Earhart World Flight? 3. Was he really a drinker? Only Goerner mentions this and only in the context of an automobile accident report where it is noted that one of the occupants of Noonan's car was drinking. Some of the film features about Earhart notably the Diane Keaton vehicle play up Noonan's drinking problem. Bzuk 04:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Remark : In an article , July 2008, European Journal of Navigatiion, p.25 it is shown how Noonan made use of the air [bubble] sextant for establishing his positiion near Nukumanu Island by a sight on the setting sun. For a sight on the rising sun the morning after he could not use the air sextant and he had to use the marine sextant [Pioneer made] since a sight on the ascending sun is necessarily on the upper limb [due refraction]. For such event, e.g. the 1928 edition of Navigation and Nautical Astronomy [Dutton, art.311, p.348] prescribes : "Because of the errors of the bubble sextant , the best results are obtained by flying very low and using the ordinary [= marine] sextant on the horizon". The article also explains [numerically, p.28] how Noonan used the marine sextant to establish a last position fix [ 178-47' W.Long. / 00-09' N.Lat.] before heading for the over Howland advanced sun line when flying at 1,000 ft altitude [no.12 Earhart to Itasca radio message].It is therefore most probable that Noonan carried his marine sextant whereas he actually made us of it. Desertfax ( talk) 11:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)desertfax
"It's like the reversed public perception Earhart didn't smoke... she did, like lots of Americans born around the turn of the century." -- Oh, did she, now? According to the biographical sources that I've seen, she didn't smoke at all, but only signed that Lucky Strike endorsement because the other two pilots on the 1928 transatlantic flight did smoke, and she felt that it wouldn't be fair to them if she turned it down. Not that it really matters, but I want to keep the record straight as far as AE is concerned. 76.21.37.87 ( talk) 05:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The ´drinking´ of Noonan has undeservedly been used to exort failures by which the 1937 crew did not find Howland Island. Even a "sextant box" ("found" at the roots of every palm tree around the Pacific) "contained" an "empty bottle" , naturally : Johnny Walker. It is btw even possible (viz. EJN , above) that Noonan´s very precise astro navigation plaid tricks on him when the aircraft ended up on a false position line , 10 st.mls only westwards of the precomputed specimen. 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 12:33, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
It seems like it is standard biographical terminology to indicate whether someone who has been missing is presumed dead or not. Is this controversial? If so, why? Ronnotel 21:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Not at all. I'm just following the format specified in WP:Date section 1.9. The date he went missing is still included in the lead, where it belongs. Ronnotel 23:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
WP:Date says nothing about "missing" dates. Fred Noonan's disappearance on 2 July 1937 is widely documented. The date of his death is unknown. Although he likely died in 1937, likely sometime in July, we do not know when he died. He was declared dead in June 1938. There is no lack of precision or clarity in listing both dates in his b-d bracket. There is no need to provide readers with an ambiguous "circa" date when the available documentation supports only the date he went missing and the date he was declared dead. Gwen Gale 00:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Please provide these requested citations to support your assertions, thanks. Gwen Gale 01:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
You assert you're supported by WP policy, but you have not responded to my request for specific citations from it, including
WP:Date.
Instead, you have responded with distracting and disruptive non-sequiter ridicule and sarcasm. However, on the assumption of good faith, if I'm mistaken and what I've taken as ridicule and sarcasm are truly your sincere assertions,
Then,
Thanks. Gwen Gale 03:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Gwen, we seem to be stuck in a rut. The policy is clear, it's not for me to explain it. All bio pages I can find ranked WP:Good or WP:FA use the format laid out there. If you dispute the policy, please change it there. Otherwise, let please follow it. Ronnotel 03:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
And no, for the fifth time, I have not removed 2 July 1937. It's included in the lead paragraph. There is no factual dispute. Ronnotel 03:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
The policy is clear and needs no further explanation. Ronnotel 03:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
WP:Date section 1.9 shows the allowed formats for b/d dates. Ronnotel 03:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Section 1.9 says nothing about how to deal with missing persons (who went missing on widely documented, specific dates) who were later declared dead on a specific date. Moreover, the introduction says, "The guidelines here are just that: guidelines are not inflexible rules;"
It doesn't support your assertion that I have violated WP:Date. It doesn't support your assertion that "missing... is unencyclopedic when citing the birth and death dates in a biography."
Moreover, you still haven't provided the 2 following diffs/cites:
I'd like to resolve these points before we move on to your subsequent assertions about the contents of other WP articles. Thanks, as ever. Gwen Gale 03:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
If you feel WP:Date is incorrect, let's please change it there first. Otherwise, I suggest we follow it. Ronnotel 04:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
WP:Date is clear. If you believe it should be changed to accomodate Fred and Amelia's situation, by all means go ahead. I never accused you wanting to include Fred's wedding date, etc. That was hyperbole meant to demonstrate the fallacy of your logic. You are apparently asking me to cite some statement in WP:Date explicitly denying the inclusion of the word missing. However, because of the vast number of possible items that could be included in a birth/death section, it is impractical to enumerate such a list of negative examples. Rather, the policy must be read as a list of positive examples. I.e. it shows what is allowed, rather than attempting to list what is not allowed. By unencyclopedic, I mean that since WP policies are used to determine what is encyclopedic, that which does not conform to these policies is, by definition, unencyclopedic. For instance, note that is specifically recommends against include the place of birth or death and instead, moving that to the text. Ronnotel 04:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
In contrast, you have repeatedly accused me of wanting to remove the date he went missing. Will you please either support or retract that statement? Ronnotel 04:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Gwen, I have posted a question at WP:Date (Talk) requesting clarification of your point regarding Fred and Amelia's situation. Please review to make sure I have presented the issue fairly. Ronnotel 15:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there still a factual dispute? If so, let's please resolve it so we can remove the tag. To the best of my ability, I believe that your concern is that I have removed documented information, see [1] [2] [3]. However, the lead paragraph includes the text "Last seen on 2 July 1937,. . ." I contend that no documented information was removed, that it is still prominently displayed, and that there is no basis for a factual dispute tag. Do you agree? Ronnotel 13:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
That's hardly surprising given that his death was never documented. Ronnotel 14:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
There is no factual dispute. It is inappropriate to leave the dispute tag in place. Ronnotel 15:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I can accept that c.1937 is unsupported. I suppose it's in the realm of possibility, however unlikely, that he really was taken prisoner and held by the Japanese, etc. Heck, for all we know maybe he even ended up in the Delta quadrant. WP:Date suggests an alternate use of "date of death unknown". Would that be acceptable? Ronnotel 15:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Missing is inappropriate because it leaves open the possibility that he is alive. It is unencyclopedic and insensitive to family members seeking closure. Ronnotel 15:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe you have it backwards. WP:Date clearly shows the acceptable formats. You're the one who needs to cite an example supporting the usage you propose. Ronnotel 15:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
My only assertion is that we follow WP:Date. Ronnotel 16:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
You are the one proposing a usage that is not described by WP:Date hence the burden to support this usage is on you. The information you claim I have removed from the article has simply been moved to its logical place - still prominently displayed. I can see we are unlikely to resolve this between us. I cannot accept the term 'missing' for reasons I have explained. You seem unwilling, so far, to accept anything else. I'm sure we're both busy people - is there some way we can cut this short? I'm all ears. Ronnotel 16:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to get beyond accusations. Would you be willing to seek input from others to help us resolve this? Ronnotel 16:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
So we're agreed that seeking input from a third party might be helpful? If so, I propose that we open a case at the mediation cabal, which is the most informal venue. Please feel free to start a case, or, if you prefer, I will do so. Ronnotel 17:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. I'm going to request that the basis for the dispute tag be reviewed by another party. Ronnotel 17:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
All I want is the dispute tag removed. Ronnotel 17:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
btw, here is the case Ronnotel 18:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
There's no need to intentionally misinterpret my words. As I said, I cannot accept 'missing' for stated reasons. Let's please wait for results of mediation rather than get into edit warring. Ronnotel 18:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
No, I didn't intentionally misinterpret your words. After giving you several days to support your assertions and receiving no citations in response, I edited accordingly when you at last said all you wanted was the removal of the dispute tag. If you didn't mean it, you shouldn't have said it. What do you want? Gwen Gale 18:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I haven't responsed to your requests for citations because they are spurious. It is not my place to explain WP:Date. The policy is clear. If you disagree, you are welcome to have it changed. Ronnotel 18:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
You are the one proposing to use a format not allowed by WP:Date. You are the one who needs to provide support, not me. And, btw, are you aware that you appear to be mocking my concern for a deceased relative? Ronnotel 19:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
You're mistaken about WP:Date. You are using a format that is not described, hence you are responsible to explain why that format is necessary and providing citations to other uses.
I'm not claiming any extra weight due to my family connection to FN. However, you made light of my concern about the description of FN's demise - calling it 'spurious'. I can assure you it is anything but. Ronnotel 19:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
You said "Asserting that your version of the b-d bracket would give the Noonan family 'closure' isn't spurious?". Yes, by any reasonable interpretation, that is making light of my legitimate concern that FN's demise be described accurately. Now you seem to be suggesting that because of my family ties, somehow my edits are WP:PoV? Nice, very classy. And, btw, it's hard to believe that you didn't already know of my connection, given that I told you about it here. Ronnotel 19:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Article content and WP:PoV are not the issues. Formatting and compliance with WP policy is the issue. Please provide evidence to support the b/d format you have used. Ronnotel 20:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Please provide evidence to support the b/d format you have used. Ronnotel 20:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Please provide evidence to support the b/d format you have used. Ronnotel 20:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Added an info box as per bio template. Also, I changed the picture for the following reasons:
I have provided fair use citation for this picture. Ronnotel 05:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm confused why in the Early life section it says Fred is married to Josephine Sullivan, but in the Info Box it has listed Mary Bea Noonan. Just today, I emailed a woman who confirmed that her mother's sister, Mary Bea, was married to Fred Noonan. This leads me to believe that any connections with a Josephine Sullivan is from another Fred Noonan.
Tostie14 (
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16:57, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. That's fine.
On a minor note, WP:Date includes the text "Locations should be included in the biography portion of the body article." I don't care much one way or the other, but I think it reads more cleanly with it in the paragraph rather than b/d. Up to you. Ronnotel 21:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Following the standard sub-headings established in the accompanying Amelia Earhart article, these sub-headings are recommended for this article and also follow the standard or conventional style for a biographical article. IMHO Bzuk 02:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC).
I just finished reading the book Amelia Earhart Lives by Joe Klaas. In it Major Joe Gervais claims that he did meet Fred Noonan years after the plane went down and that he went by the name of William Van Dusen. According to Gervais, Van Dusen offered him a cigarette from a case which he claims he saw written on the inside: "A Salute, to the man who showed us the way across the Pacific, Frederick J. Noonan." Interesting book to read and also furthers the theory that Amelia Earhart was Irene Craigmile Bolam. Koolbluecat 06:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC).
However it is worth considering that Mr. Swindell is not a professional in forensic research, and any supportive official verdict of the forensic research professionals never followed. Moreover, at close examination of the photos it is obvious for any non-biased view that in reality Amelia Earhart and Irene Bolam had many differences, both in body and facial characteristics.
It is also worth noting that Major Joe Gervais - the father of this theory - never meet Earhart in person before 1965 (when he saw Irene Bolam and "decided" that she must be Earhart). So the value of his "recognition" of Earhart in Irene Bolam has at least, a highly doubtful level of credibility.
Actually, the fact is that there were many people who knew BOTH women personally, and they all were firmly convinced that Earhart and Bolam were different persons.
There are many obvious stretches in this theory, and the questions without a proper and reasonable answers. First of all: WHY at all would Earhart abandon her identity to become a New Jersey housewife? No fact or even believable theoretical reasons for this idea have ever been presented, only speculative guesses in contradiction with many credible historical sources about Earhart's personality have been offered.
How it was possible for Earhart to abandon her family, especially her mother and sister, to whom she was extremely close? Also, how it was possible for her to abandon and never contact her husband George Putnam, as well as her numerous friends? Earhart's dedication and loyalty to family and friends was really legendary.
Where was Earhart between 1937 and 1945? In contrary to the concept of Irene Bolam theory, no evidence has ever been found in Japan to indicate AE's presence there that appears minimally credible in any way. Some statements of the theory, like about Earhart's secret life in Japanese Imperial palace with Emperor Hirohito, are obviously beyond a reasonable belief for any historically aware person.
What happened to the real, original Irene Bolam? As it was found by historical researchers, she certainly existed between 1934 and 1945, and was working in the banking business in New York City. Why would the government use the name and identity of a real person, known by many people and living an active, normal life, in a plot to transform this individual into another, discrete individual (Earhart) without these people becoming aware of it?
How and why could such an immense and long-lived conspiracy, with hundreds or even thousands of people necessarily involved, be organized and kept secret for decades? It has been proposed that AE's family and friends were aware of the conspiracy, but were all somehow persuaded to remain silent about it.
But nothing of substance has ever been offered to support this idea, and it's virtually impossible to assume that so many people, by some "secret agreement," successfully concealed this plot from entire world for many decades. It is extremely hard to keep such a stuff in secrecy - for both 'technical' and emotional reasons.
If even to guess that the "price of secrecy" that AE was compelled to pay included abandoning her family and friends, why then would AE, as IB, go on to live such a documented, semi-public lifestyle, attending aviation-related public events, joining organizations like Zontas and 99s (where AE was a former member) and meeting numerous people who personally knew AE?
Finally - if it was a "great conspiracy" with a governmental interests involved - why would the U.S.Government allow the personal meeting of IB and Mr. Joe Gervais, who was already well known as a persistent AE researcher? Considering all he above, it seems very difficult to accept seriously the concept of Amelia Earhart's secret repatriation as Irene Bolam. It looks like just a theory, and enough far-fetched, bizarre and radical one, at that. There is no any serious reason to consider it as real solution of AE disappearance mystery.
Respectfully submitted - Alex V. Mandel, Ph.D. Naval and aviation historian, author; member of US Naval institute and Association of Naval Aviation. Bzuk 13:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC).
Recently, an edit was made that introduced the following statement: "Today, the disappearance of Earhart and Noonan remains a mystery. No wreckage of Earhart's aircraft, or the bodies of her and Fred Noonan have ever been found."
Rather than getting into an edit war over it, I would suggest the following revision: "Today, the disappearance of Earhart and Noonan remains a mystery. No wreckage of Earhart's aircraft, or the bodies of her and Fred Noonan have ever been found although one theory postulates that having run out of fuel, Earhart ditched the Electra in the ocean where she perished with her navigator. Another hypothesis based on a range of documented, archaeological and anecdotal evidence asserts that Earhart and Noonan may have found Gardner, which at the time was uninhabited, landed the Electra on a flat reef near the wreck of a large freighter and sent sporadic radio messages from there. [1] FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 15:13, 28 June 2008 (UTC).
I have posted your statement Ms Gale to many members of the research community who entirley disagree with your Gardner Theory. Are you a communist? Because, by not allowing other theories, you must be. Who are you to promote the TIGHAR theory? The TIGHAR hypothesis is a theory. It has un-supporting evidence. They have not found anything which could be found on any deserted island.However, you choose to envoke your powers as "Editor" to make sure nothing but the Gardner theory fits into the disappearance. Southerndata ( talk) 20:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to say this, Southerndata, but you're wrong to accuse Gwen Gale of being a communist and not allowing other theories besides the Gardner Island theory; last time I checked this article, both the crash-and-sink theory and the Gardner theory were clearly mentioned in the article, so your accusations that only the Gardner theory is mentioned are groundless. Now I must acknowledge that there's a little bit of bias in favor of the Gardner theory (it's described as having a broad range of documented historical and anecdotal evidence supporting it, which is not yet confirmed), but the crash-and-sink theory is also discussed and given its fair place in the article. Really, I think you should read the article more carefully before making such serious accusations. 76.21.37.87 ( talk) 05:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I've just checked not only the date of the edit, but also the edit history of the article around that date. Looks like there was quite a nasty edit war between Gwen Gale and Southerndata about the disappearence theories around that time. Well anyway, in all of Gwen Gale's edits, although she seems to give undue weight to the Gardner theory, she also clearly mentions that "It is possible, even likely, that Earhart ditched the Electra in the ocean where she perished with her navigator", so Southerndata was really out of bounds with his/her "communist" remarks (and was also wrong to delete supported info from the article). Now I know this was almost a year ago, but it really hurts me to see a researcher/editor being accused of being a "communist" and acting in bad faith when the only thing she was guilty of was a bit of one-sidedness in her evidence and bias in her conclusions. I mean, it wasn't like she was stopping someone from putting in evidence about the crash-and-sink theory -- it was actually Southerndata who was acting like a communist by trying to remove stuff about the Gardner theory. Just trying to keep the record straight. (BTW, why not add some quotes from sources that are in favor of the crash-and-sink theory? I would love to see both views represented in this article, but I don't have the necessary sources with me.) FWiW
76.21.37.87 ( talk) 02:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
A set of 2 quantitative publications in EJN (European Journal of Navigation), July 2008 and April 2011 shows , besides that the aircraft was not flown over the Lae-Howland great circle , that probably by using two sextants (bubble versus marine) on one same trip , a local hour angle error at sunrise in the roads of Howland introduced a time error which did not show up on the on board watches. As a result a too westerly line of position was flown along , with the island 16 miles on the port beam at the estimated time of landfall. This distance from 1,000 ft altitude , apart from other unfavorable circumstances , was for the island below the 1 arcmin resolution of the human eye , and the target was subsequently missed. Probably the aircraft alighted on the high seas some 85 st.miles northwest of Howland and came to rest on the slopes of two below surface hills visible by Google Earth in "ocean" configuration. 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 20:37, 15 April 2011 (UTC) 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 20:20, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
For overshoot (flying too far eastwards) the search should be directed to the NE , not the NW. 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 20:37, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Excuse Bzu , it was not at all my intention to offend you. 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 05:53, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
80.56 has read it , many thanks I will prepare for the concerning item . 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 18:32, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Someone knowing what he or she is talking about , would of the Nikumaroro " hypothesis" say (with Newton): non fingo hypothesis. 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 18:43, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
The article contains a sentence supposing that crossing the international date line would possibly have induced entanglement to the navigator. Remark : contrary to crossing the equator ("never let your [pre-] computations cross the equator" , sailor´s slogan , especially for great circle tracking), passing over the date line is a no risk occurrence if the day of departure , as expressed in GMT , has not ended. For any to Howland last flight leg (great circle or , alternatively , loxo from Nikunau or Tabiteuea)the date line was crossed at or before 1724 GMT which is 6h36m before the subsolar point of July 2 was on the Greenwich anti meridian to start July 3 in apparent time. 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 05:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
In the "See also" paragraph of the article a spello says "Earheart". 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 07:25, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
An article in European Journal of Navigation (vol.6 no.2 , July 2008) explains ad fundum the 1745 - 1815 GMT discrepancy of aircraft´s speed which would have been 200 mph (1745 ´200 miles out´, 1815 ´100 miles out´ by radio). Aircraft´s speed was 150 mph as usual , the virtual flaw came from a navigation error (erroneous local hour angle) incurred when a sunrise fix was established to ascertain the position with regard to Howland´s assumed coordinates. From the same recomputations it is clear that the aircraft was truly in the immediate nearness (16 st.mls) of Howland with for 1/2 hr fuel (ex the special 100 oct gas , for an additional 1/2h05min) at 1912 GMT : reaching Gardner at a distance of 409 mls loxo would have asked a fuel capacity for 2h55m. Reasonably , Earhart and Noonan have never been on Gardner/Nikumaroro and the everlasting unverified "finds" , in the course of time several all-embracing kitchen units , deliver unconditional proof themselves. 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 08:16, 18 April 2011 (UTC) 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 19:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The in the article mentioned "Date Line Error Theory" is a nonsense theory , stating that for two instances Noonan had (and forgot) to change almanac pages (from July 2nd to July 1st and from July 2nd to July 3rd respectively): first when crossing "local midnight" and secondly when passing over the "Date Line". Both occurrences had zero influence on navigation since the entire flight (by plan & actually) deployed at July 2nd within 0000 & 2400 GMT , whereas the aircraft was flown on(GMT)Zulu , not local time schedule. Writer of theory (datelinetheory.com) has no insight in her subject. 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 20:13, 20 April 2011 (UTC). 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 19:47, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Bzuk I have a remark abt the question you put a few days ago , I do however, not succeed contacting via the talk page finding no entry , plse message how or deliver URL. 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 05:23, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
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Recently added to the article: "Some researchers bring up an at takeoff broken (port) belly aerial wire , thereby reasoning the erratic radio voice communications . Radio transmission and reception were by one V-shaped aerial from a cabin mast to the rudder tips . Most probably the belly antenna was used by an RDF installation with a s.c. sense aerial against forwards-backwards bearing ambiguity . Loss of this belly aerial had no influence on the one channel radio communication with a send-receive relay operated by the microphone switch , by one single aerial . A close up picture of the "belly antennas" exists, but it is not completely reliable: part of the broken wire would have been "found back" on a Pacific island to support an "evasive action" by landing on the island after the destination was not found. 80.56.50.56 ( talk) 20:29, 29 August 2011 (UTC)"
Article in European Journal of Navigation , Dec 2011 , Vol. 9 no.3 contains that A/c´s maximum ferry range was within small margins 2,740 land miles from Lae . Other islands than Howland , or Baker , could not be reached . The conclusion also places the date @ which the crew members deceased was July 2 ,1937 , after A/c was alighted , in the most favorable event , @ sea in the Howland region . 77.250.101.214 ( talk) 09:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Latest research brought to light that the aircraft was flown via Choiseul to Nukumanu , a 59 mls detour by which the average ferry speed increases to 141 mph . The maximum conditional ferry length extends to 2,852 st.miles from 2,740 as earlier accounted for . 86.85.177.234 ( talk) 08:22, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
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This edit by an IP back in 2013 added the following claim:
Further recent research has indicated that on July 2, 1937, Earhart´s aircraft was not (contrary to current literature) flown over the great circle New Guinea-to-Howland.<ref>European Journal of Navigation, Vol. 9, no. 1, 2011.</ref>
Note that there's no hyperlink, and no reference to a specific paper in that journal.
That's a real journal, with a web site. So I went to the website and searched the archives of the European Journal of Navigation for "Earhart" and found no mention at all.
I suspect this edit was a prank, and the reference was a fake. I propose deleting the sentence. Does anyone object? NCdave ( talk) 01:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)