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Leaving this as a note to KidAd. I am heading off to bed right now, but in around 8 or 10 hours I will get back to this page. I will work on his tenure as sheriff and deputy sheriff using Newspapers.com and hopefully find a yearbook photo of him (as thankfully most of the older ones didn't have copyright notices in them). -
Jon698talk 9:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Off to bed for me as well. Finding a portrait of him will be helpful. There are a few floating around from his later years in the House, but a retro one will be better. Thanks for your work.
KidAd (
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09:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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KidAd: I found a picture of him from his school's yearbook although his facial expression is lacking. Hopefully one day all 50 states will put politician portraits into the public domain like they do in California and Florida. -
Jon698talk18:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Requested move 29 July 2020
The following is a closed discussion of a
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Oppose first per
WP:NATURAL. He is referred to as Frank A. Howard in reliable sources,
[3][4] whether or not most often, and a person's natural name is usually preferable to an artificial qualifier when that's possible. (Neutral on second.)
Station1 (
talk)
19:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose first I would prefer using the unique middle name as a disambiguation rather than adding parenthesis, which I view as a sometimes necessary evil that should be avoided if possible. We're already doing this with
Frank H. Howard. As is, a
disambiguation page already exists, so a natural solution for this problem does as well; adding {{about}} to the relevant pages. That template is missing from these pages, and its absence likely caused the confusion that prompted this discussion. Some of the pages have it, but point to another Frank Howard instead of the disambiguation page. The whole thing is a mess that needs to be fixed before we consider renaming. --
PuzzledvegetableIs it teatime already?15:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
WP:MIDDLE: Adding given names, or their abbreviations, merely for disambiguation purposes (if that format of the name is not commonly used to refer to the person) is not advised. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
15:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Unless there is consensus that the
hatnotes should remain, I will delete, following the conclusion of this RM, the {{other people}} hatnotes from the pages where such hatnotes are not necessary and amount to clutter. As explained under
WP:NAMB, hatnotes should be placed only when there is a possibility of confusion, not atop every entry listed on a disambiguation page. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs)18:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
WP:NAMB doesn't really apply here. The presence or absence of hatnotes in articles with disambiguated titles has been a contentious issue, and this guideline doesn't prescribe one way or the other. The guideline used
Water (Wu Xing) and
water as an example. Different people with the same name is not what that guideline is referring to. On the contrary, that is exactly what {{other people}} is designed for. Either way, there evidently is confusion, as the purpose of this discussion in the first place is to resolve said confusion.
All I'm saying is that the hatnotes paired with the
WP:NATURAL disambiguation provided by the commonly used middle names (if applicable, which it is in the first proposal) make for a better solution than parenthesis. It's worth noting that
WP:NATURAL makes pretty clear that parenthesis should only be used ...when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title. --
PuzzledvegetableIs it teatime already?19:13, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
There is no confusion about the need to respond regarding the placement of the hatnotes, although you are, of course, correct that it is only a side issue here. The understanding at
WP:NAMB is that human name {{hndis}} disambiguation pages rarely require hatnotes beyond the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, thus
John Williams has a hatnote — This article is about the composer. For other people named John Williams, see
John Williams (disambiguation). However, the entries for the other 182 men named "John Williams" have no need of such a hatnote since users are expected to find the object of their search at the
John Williams (disambiguation) page.
In the case at hand, the
Frank Howard disambiguation page has no primary topic, thus none of the 13 entries listed there has need of a hatnote since anyone searching for someone named "Frank Howard" will simply type the name and sort it out at the dab page. Alternatively, a user who types a specific main title header, such as
Frank Ernest Howard or
Frank Leslie Howard knows precisely the object of search and needs no further direction. Any other understanding of
WP:NAMB invites hatnote clutter upon every entry of every disambiguation page. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs)20:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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I am not thrilled with the original hook, and prefer the Alt1 hook. The Alt1 hook needs a cite. I will complete this review once the name change discussion is complete. --
evrik(
talk)16:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Evrik: ALT1 is cited on the page. Go to "By 2016, he was the oldest sitting member of the House of Representatives" and you will see reference 43. -
Jon698talk16:33, 14 August 2020 (UTC)reply