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Are you people serious? How is this a memorable game in the scope of history? Removed. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 24.136.44.132 ( talk) 13:41, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. If the 2008 "The Soak at Doak" isn't considered memorable, neither should this one. Removed again. 67.77.166.69 ( talk) 17:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
We have an article for 2009's game in the swamp which is memorable for what reason then? I know you Gates would love to forget this one ever happened, but it's significant for many more reasons than the 2009 game which has an entry.
1. Jimbo Fisher's first game against UF, and first time an FSU head coach ever beat UF in their first attempt. 2. End of the longest streak since the 80's in this series 3. 100 recruits in attendance. The balance of power is shifting, and this game marks that shift..
Were you at the game? There was nothing not memorable about the game, unless of course you're a Gate. In that case, stop being a homer and get the hell off the page.
Re-added. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 146.201.134.185 ( talk) 20:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Every year some moron tries to add that year's game even when it has no place on the page. None of your three reasons mark this game, in any way, as a historical one worthy of commemoration. 2009's game was Bobby Bowden's last game - that's A LITTLE BIT MORE of a reasonable qualifier. Stop being fools. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 24.136.44.143 ( talk) 23:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Personally, I believe that the 2010 it should be included for multiple reasons including, but not limited to, the fact that it was Fisher's first win in his first year as head coach of Florida State; it was the first time that FSU had won against Florida since 2003, breaking a 6-game streak (tie for 2nd longest streak in the series); it was the largest margin of victory for Florida State since 1988 and was the third (I believe) largest margin for FSU ever against UF; I agree with above statements that it is a key game in indicating the balance of power in the series. However, I disagree with the title picked by the original author of the section. ( Drumlinehoss ( talk) 18:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC))
Drumlinehoss has it completely right. As for the name Joke at Doak, many Florida and Florida State fans alike have been referring to it as that. As I said, obviously a Gator fan is not going to see this one as significant. They see it as any 31-7 loss (one of five on their season), but Warchant.com ranked the win as #6 of all time in Doak Campbell Stadium. To any 'Nole fan, this was a HUGE win, even if neither team was playing for anything other than bragging rights. As I said, even if you were not a 'Nole fan, had you attended the game, you would agree with me. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 146.201.134.185 ( talk) 03:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
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This section has been the target of numerous attempts at vandalism. I have corrected the issue and added a citation. Hopefully this will resolve the issue and we remember that this is an encyclopedia and not a depot for smack talk. 65.34.81.185 ( talk) 10:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
All of the notable games I deleted and either added into their appropiate section or if the description already existed and was better I just deleted the.
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In line with a similar usage discussion at The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party, I'm soliciting from editors here a rationale of why the logos should stay. This and WLOCP are the only article I see with the logos presented thusly. (IMO, it's also a cumbersome and unattractive presentation, but that's not the issue at hand.) Similarly in line with discussion there, I personally will not delete the logos for 24 hours, though I will not stand in the way of other editors removing the logos. After 24 hours, I will delete them under the WP:NONFREE guidelines which require a usage rationale, if they have not been provided. 鈥 C.Fred ( talk) 12:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
This article is suffering from a lack of sources and, more importantly, a serious issue with bias; some sections are wildly pro-UF, others just as wildly pro-FSU. There are plenty of sports forums on the internet for Gator-Nole smack, but wikipedia is not one of them.
I'll work on the problems little by little, and hopefully other good faith editors with knowledge of this rivalry will chip in as well. Zeng8r ( talk) 19:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
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There's really no need to add summaries of every individual game since 2001 into the article. Game summaries should go in the "Memorable games" section, but only if they're particularly noteworthy. Otherwise, they should be only briefly mentioned in the series overview section up top, as in "From 2004 to 2008, Florida won 5 in a row..." etc., not details down to Harvin's injury and such. There have been a lot of streaks and trends in the series; that's what should be focused on up there (imo, of course).
Like I mentioned last year at about this time (see above), the The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party article is a good model. Maybe this year I'll actually get back to working on this one... Zeng8r ( talk) 14:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Done! Some of those removed game summaries could be moved to/merged with the game summaries at the season articles for each team. (They're accessable via the "history" tab...) Zeng8r ( talk) 18:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Though I personally enjoyed it, I seriously doubt that this year's game will be considered "memorable" in the rivalry, so it doesn't belong in the memorable games section. There were no shenanigans, no comebacks, no individual performances that will stand the test of time. Other than the weather, it was a pretty dull ballgame in the big scheme of things, especially when compared to the others in that section.
Anybody have a good reason why it should stay? Zeng8r ( talk) 00:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I would say that it was one, but for reasons that have not yet been listen on this page yet. I believe it was the largest win for the UF Gators in Tallahassee in the 50 years of the series. The once believed 'curse' of the Gators never winning in Tally and 'flukes' of UF winning in 04 and 06 have now been proven to be a break of the curse. UF dominated us, FSU, on our own field - where they previously collapsed, no matter how good they were in the past. Combined with the Harvin injury situation, being a signature game for florida to make a bcs case, the 50th game in the series, and the disgusting playing conditions, 2008 is a 'memorable game.'
Keep 2008, and someone will add more later to it with these facts, like when I get around to it...haha.
128.227.50.13 (
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The colors for this table are very hard to read, especially on the years that Florida won. In fact, it isn't easy at all to read and close to impossible.
Below are all the possible options I have come up with. I personally like option #3 for UF and option #1 for FSU. The Blue and Garnet will contrast well to make it easy to tell who won the game, while the white text will make it MUCH easier for everyone to read. Thoughts?
Year | Florida | Florida State | Location | ||
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1963 | Florida | 7 | Florida State | 0 | Gainesville, FL |
1963 | Florida | 7 | Florida State | 0 | Gainesville, FL |
1963 | Florida | 7 | Florida State | 0 | Gainesville, FL |
1963 | Florida | 7 | Florida State | 0 | Gainesville, FL |
Year | Florida | Florida State | Location | ||
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1964 | 14 Florida | 7 | 12 Florida State | 16 | Tallahassee, FL |
1964 | 14 Florida | 7 | 12 Florida State | 16 | Tallahassee, FL |
1964 | 14 Florida | 7 | 12 Florida State | 16 | Tallahassee, FL |
1964 | 14 Florida | 7 | 12 Florida State | 16 | Tallahassee, FL |
-- The Sports Diatribe ( talk) 21:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
For the benefit of those in a hurry, here's the excerpt from WP:ENDASH that requires a space around the en-dash in this title but not in references to Florida鈥揋eorgia or Florida鈥揗iami: "All disjunctive en dashes are unspaced, except when there is a space within either one or both of the items." 鈥 C.Fred ( talk) 16:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
After looking at the List of NCAA college football rivalry games and seeing that the Florida Cup, not the Governor's Cup, is the three-way trophy between Florida, Florida State, and Miami, I can accept that the Governor's Cup applies to the UF鈥揊SU rivalry specifically. However, it's not mentioned further in the article. Is there a source describing the trophy? If so, it should be mentioned here and also in the list of rivalries. 鈥 C.Fred ( talk) 18:21, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Should the "Notable games" just be put into the history section? It seems people add games arbitrarily. While their have been plenty of classics for both sides, why is the 2009 game important other than it being Tebow's last home game? It certainly didn't add anything new to the rivalry. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by PaxonGator ( talk 鈥 contribs) 00:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
The history section and notable games has too much overlap. And considering there is always such a hissy fit over what is and isn't a notable game, we should just elimate the notable game section and integrate it into the history section. When there is suffecient info on a single game, then it can have it's own sub-section. 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by PaxonGator ( talk 鈥 contribs) 00:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Question: Is there a specific location of Florida in which the Florida State fans tend to live and a specific part of Florida in which the U of F fans live? Or is it pretty much scattered equally throughout Florida? 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.210.33.152 ( talk) 15:32, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I have reviewed my history books, game scores and available Google News Archive clippings for each of the Florida鈥揊lorida State games, and I have culled a list of "notable games" that I believe fairly represents each team as well as the rivalry series as a whole. Here is my proposed "notable games" list:
Florida wins:
Florida State wins:
Ties:
Admittedly, the list is heavy on 1990s games, but that's not an accident. That's when several of the best games were played and when the series was running at a fever-pitch with both teams ranked in the AP top-10 virtually every game. If anyone would like to add another game, please propose which game you would remove from the list above in order to make room for your addition. The list above includes 16 of the 56 Florida鈥揊SU games played to date; that should be a pretty darn good sample of the series' best. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 00:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Zen, the best place for the Docket-Graham discussion is in the "Series history" section; I already have it on my checklist for additions to the general history of the Spurrier era. The aftermath was arguably one of the major reasons for Spurrier's departure after the season. The 2001 game itself is not particularly noteworthy鈥攊t was a Gators blowout whose outcome was never seriously in doubt. Unforeseen upsets, games with dramatic comebacks, and top-10 matchups tend to get the most media coverage, and also tend to be emphasized most in the various books about the two programs.
Cooch, I think we are unavoidably looking at 7 to 8 games from the 1990s, and that's driving the overall numbers. We can fold the 1961 tie into the series history (on reconsideration, there's no there there other than the "moral victory"), and combine the November 1996 game and January 1997 Sugar Bowl into a "battle for No. 1" paragraph. That cuts two games for a new total of 14, and I think we need to continue to include representative games from the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk)
I agree that there should be at least some mention of the Lane Fenner catch game; it was a point of contention for almost 20 years, and heated up the rivalry.
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There was a little back and forth this week via edit summaries, so just to get it onto the record...
Like any article on a controversial or contentious subject, sports rivalry articles can get heated as partisans try to make sure that their side is treated fairly and the other side doesn't inject their point-of-view too strongly. Hopefully, calmer heads prevail, and a good, well-sourced article emerges from discussion and compromise. This article has had several rounds of message board-style smack talk and reverts from both sides. Through much hard work, it has stabilized into a relatively fair and well-balanced text.
Over the last few years, the "Swindle in the Swamp" section has swung from widely pro-UF to wildly pro-FSU. The current text is the result of work from many editors, and the citations used are deliberately national news sources (ESPN, SI, CBS, etc.). There were even more sources at one point that were removed due to readability issues caused by so many superscript numbers. Like anything else on wikipedia, everything is revisable. However, changing well-established and over-sourced material like that section would require very good reasons and sources. Zeng8r ( talk) 13:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure that this season's contest should be added to the notable games section, at least not yet. Yes, it was the first top-10 UF/FSU matchup in a while and it seems important now, we have to be careful to not to let recentism cloud our judgement. It's usually best to let a little time go by before determining whether or not an ballgame was truly memorable.
Even if it stays, the text as written doesn't include any sources and needs to be tweaked in tone. I'll take care of it if the consensus is to keep it. Thoughts? Zeng8r ( talk) 20:38, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
The Gators colors completely fail to meet an acceptable contrast ratio for partially or fully color-blind readers; FSU is "sort of" compliant using the tool below. You can check this yourself using the Snook's Colour Contrast Check tool. But all articles should meet Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility#Color so as to accomadate our color-blind readers. From WP:COLOR "Some readers of Wikipedia are partially or fully color blind. Ensure the contrast of the text with its background reaches at least WCAG 2.0's AA level, and AAA level when feasible." We aren't here to support team spirit but build an encyclopedia. If the team spirit happens to be in compliance with WP:COLOR then huzzah. But most times they aren't due to the color choices. However, I suggest we change the font to white for both teams then they would meet all aspects of contrast accessibility. That way both teams can keep one of their primary colors as the background while only losing out on the font-color which is what creates the color accessibility issues. 鈥聽聽 dain omite聽聽 16:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Date | Location | Winner | Score |
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November 30, 1963 | Gainesville, FL | Florida | 7鈥0 |
November 30, 1964 | Tallahassee, FL | FSU | 16鈥7 |
@ Dainomite: I think it's probably time to move on these other Gators football rivalry articles . . . Could you do a mockup for each talk page as you did here? Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 20:34, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I would like to know if there's any way someone can change the size of the FSU logo to be equal to the UF one. Both are different sizes and it doesn't look right. Any help would be appreciated. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by SeminoleNation ( talk 鈥 contribs) 00:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I removed the (really long) summary of the 2015 game from the notable game section. As discussed in 2012 (a Gator win which I was in favor of removing), the section is only for the most memorable games in the series - contests that had national championship implications for both teams, or had a truly memorable plays or controversy, or that somehow shaped the rivalry for multiple subsequent years. The year's game doesn't fit the criteria, imo. Including a (really long) summary hours after the final whistle is almost never a good idea, since it takes a little time for the significance of the game to become clear. (See WP:Recentism for a discussion of how to deal with issues like this.)
Anyway, if the game somehow becomes more notable in the future, the summary could always be retrieved from the article history. But unless that happens, it's just another game in the series. Zeng8r ( talk) 20:25, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
This article needs a substantial re-write, starting with the "evolving rivalry" section regarding the history since Spurrier and Bowden left Florida and FSU. This section is supposed to discuss the big picture trends of the rivalry in recent years, and it is not intended as an alternative or end-run around the "notable games" section, which includes 250-word summaries of the most historically significant and most noteworthy games in the rivalry's history. The "evolving rivalry" section should not have paragraph-long summaries of virtually every game in the last decade. The purpose of the rivalry history section is not to simply duplicate the "notable games" section. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 04:21, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
The 5th quarter in the French Quarter football game between Fsu and Uf had some major relevance in the rivalry between the two schools in the mid 1990's. It was the first ever bowl game between the two schools while being a top 10 match between them as well. At the same time I do agree more people recognize the Choke at Doak ahead of this game that lead to the 5th quarter in the French Quarter game. Right now the game is mentioned in the Coke at Doak section but not much information is giving about the 5th quarter in the French Quarter or the Choke at Doak for that matter. I was planning on adding more detail to the Choke at Doak game and debating to have the 5th quarter in the French Quarter game is on section or just a sub part to the Choke at Doak. Any thoughts on should we have this game it鈥檚 on Small section or just adding it into the Choke at Doak as a sub section with a little information would be welcomed. KillerFrosty ( talk) 21:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
As per several discussions on this talk page going back to at least 2008 (scroll up to view), new games should only be added to the "notable games" section if they are actually notable, for example if there was a truly remarkable play or individual performance, an important milestone in the series (first game, first win by one of the rivals), or huge national implications. Also, even if a recent game seems to fit the criteria, it's best to wait for at least a few weeks to see if the probable notability actually has some staying power before adding it.
Just like most seasons, last Saturday's game was just another in the series that makes the winning team happy and the losing team sad, but you can't compare it to all of the much more impactful games in the "notable" section. By definition, every Florida-Florida State game can't be "notable". Zeng8r ( talk) 11:44, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
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The article name should be edited to say Florida State-Florida. The official Sunshine Showdown logo and the official website at http://www.sunshineshowdown.com/ show the proper naming of this rivalry to be FSU vs UF. I've seen flyers at baseball and football games and these games are always advertised as Florida State vs Florida.
Even ESPN recognizes these match ups as FSU vs UF such as the football game on November 25, 2017 http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400933933
Here is another example of ESPN recognizing the Florida State vs Florida basketball game in this same order. This is the game from December 4, 2017 http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=400986121
I believe that this needs to be corrected.--
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@ Glman Not sure why your solution to what you felt was insufficient sourcing was to delete massive chunks of text. Dropping in "citation needed" tags or banners is a much better practice than wildly taking a machete to a pretty good article such as this one, especially since you actually deleted several citations that were already included among the supposedly "unsourced" material.
Anyway, if you mark the sections in question, I'll find and drop in more citations this weekend. Thanks. Zeng8r ( talk) 11:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC)