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BetacommandBot ( talk) 04:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC) reply

I've added a rationale. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 08:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC) reply

I removed the long list of personnel as WP:MAGAZINES/WG notes WP:NOTDIR. We just can't list all these random names of people who happened to be part of the zine. -- ZimZalaBim ^talk 19:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• I strongly disagree with you , I want the staff and contributors listed on the Flipside (fanzine ) site. Flipside was a fanzine and it was created, published and edited as a group effort. All are equal in standing.

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hudleyflipside ( talk • contribs) 20:24, 17 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• I agree with Hudley. The staff names are important. -- evrik ^{( talk)} 23:14, 17 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• Important how? Is there an independent outside source that confirms their notability? WP:MAGAZINES/WG suggests listing editors, but also notes that Wikipedia is not a place to list every single person involved. The article includes mention of the "staph" and link to the (self-published) page that lists them. -- ZimZalaBim ^talk 23:46, 17 May 2020 (UTC) reply
• They writers were part of the culture of the magazine, and the magazine part of the punk scene at the time. The fact that most of them used pen names was part of the rebellious nature of the 'zine. -- evrik ^{( talk)} 23:58, 17 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• Ok, then find an independent reliable source that notes they "were part of the culture of the magazine". What you note above is your perspective. -- ZimZalaBim ^talk 00:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• @ ZimZalaBim: right now, you are driving an edit war. Please stop. The article as it was a few days ago is a good place to start. I'll find something in the next day or two. -- evrik ^{( talk)} 00:57, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply

I really struggle to understand how you consider my incremental edits to apply policy as an edit war, especially since Hudleyflipside ( talk · contribs) shouldn't be editing directly in the article at all due to their conflict of interest. WP:MAGAZINES/WG provides some pretty easy-to-follow guidelines on how to write an article about a magazine. -- ZimZalaBim ^talk 01:01, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply

To reiterate, I'm simply trying to apply longstanding Wikipedia policies to clean up this page about a zine. I'm starting to feel like other editors are tyring to control revisions, which isn't how this encyclopedia works. -- ZimZalaBim ^talk 01:20, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• I have added more text for context. I'll work on more in a couple of days.-- evrik ^{( talk)} 01:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• I have the freedom to share my history and insight as well as any of us who have experience to share and the knowledge of being there. Hudleyflipside ( talk) 00:20, 6 April 2023 (UTC) reply

• None of us on Wikipedia have the "freedom to share" our experiences or insight. Zero, zilch, nada. Wikipedia has a hard policy against that—you can it see for yourself at WP:No original research. Unlike writers everywhere else in the world, editors on Wikipedia are not allowed to share their personal knowledge and experiences. Instead, Wikipedians are supposed to be reading, watching and listening to all the available information about a topic, published in WP:Reliable sources such as books, newspapers, magazines, documentaries, podcasts by uninvolved experts on the topic, etc. The best sources are third party independent publications. Only a limited amount of information can come from primary sources such as the fanzine itself. Binksternet ( talk) 05:06, 7 April 2023 (UTC) reply

I'm skeptical that hudleyflipside.com is a reliable source for content in this article as it appears to be self-published and likely by Hudleyflipside ( talk · contribs), exacerbating the conflict of interest they have with this article. -- ZimZalaBim ^talk 02:42, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply

I am a punk rock historian who takes punk rock history very seriously. I was there and have come out with books to support my history with the punk scene and especially Los Angeles FLipside Fanzine. Hudleyflipside ( talk) 00:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC) reply

• @ Hudleyflipside:, I tend to agree that your edits of late are problematic because I don't think you understand how wikipedia works. As for the four cites in question:
• "Bio/CV". Hudley Flipside. Archived from the original on August 12, 2014.
• Hudley Flipside (2018-02-10). "Los Angeles Flipside Fanzine Issue 54 10 Year Anniversary issue". UCLA Center for Musical Humanities Curating Resistance.
• "Flipside Catalog".
• "Flipside Fanzine Staph: Those who worked on Los Angeles Flipside Fanzine 1979 to 1989". Hudley Flipside. May 11, 2013.

I think they serve as a good snapshot of the magazine. However, it wouldn't have been as much of an issue until Hudley's recent edits. I think we leave them as they point to information available no where else (currently). -- evrik ^{( talk)} 04:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Who are you all to judge my experience as one who was a co-editor, owner, and publisher of Flipside Fanzine. I admit I am learning how to move through this place but one cannot erase my insights here. That is just sad. I am an original source therefore I am the most reliable source when it comes to Los Angeles Flipside Fanzine. I am one who has taken the obligation to preserve and protect Flipside Fanzine the best that I can because I am still alive to do so. Hudleyflipside ( talk) 00:28, 6 April 2023 (UTC) reply

• I am a very reliable source, original source, as I was an editor and publisher of Los Angeles Flipside Fanzine for 10 years. I know all the characters and want to preserve their story as accurately as possible. I am learning how this place works. ^[1]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hudleyflipside ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC) reply