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"including Summoners, Black Mages, White Mages, Monks, Dragoons, and Thieves." The terms "White Mage" and "Dragoon" don't appear in this game. Perhaps you want to say, "including Summoners, Black Mages, Priests (White Mages), Monks, Lancers (Dragoons), and Thieves."
I'm looking for help in improving the format and contents of this particular article. I'm interested in adding more content, and having the content divided into sections (Gameplay, Story, etc), along with images and other media content. I have the content, but, unfortuneately, I do not have the writing skill, or the experience with Wiki software. I really want this wonderful game to also have a wonderful article, so please, reply.
-PiccoloNamek
Hi! Thanks for the reply! I didn't expect one to arrive so quickly. One of the things I'm looking for is help deciphering the story of the game. I have a fairly good understanding of it, but it's helpful to have all of the information in one place for study. I need this in order to write up a more detailed synposis of the storyline. This is the first thing I wanted to work on, since it's by far the most important feature of the game.
Oh, and when I say I can't write, I don't mean that I have poor grammar or anything, but that I have trouble with things like getting started, organization of content, etc. ;) Once I get going through, I can produce very large amounts of quality content. ;)
- PiccoloNamek
I think you misunderstood, because I wasn't planning on writing anything like that. There are plenty of strategy guides at GameFaqs. I simply want this article to be more detailed and expansive, like the Final Fantasy X article, for example. It has a fairly detailed synopsis of the story line, each of the characters and their origins, all of the locations, weapons, summons, etc. This game deserves at least the same treatment, I think. And that is my goal. I can see how an misunderstanding can arise from that one line though. To clarify: I Do need an FAQ about the story like to help me write a reasonable synopsis of the storyline for this article. I Don't want to write an FAQ about the storyline here. PiccoloNamek 06:53, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
The distinction is that an FAQ about the story would cover everything about it, revealing every detail, leaving nothing uncovered. A synopsis is more like a basic outline, giving you a general idea about what the story is about without going into every little detail. For example, take the FAQ from GameFaqs entitled, "Zodiac Brave Story". Not only does he cover every detail, but he even re-translated it himself. Now, compare that to the basic outline contained in say, the FFVI or the FFX pages over here. See the difference? It's detailed, without going overboard. I plan to upgrade the meager outline here and expand it. Reasonably, of course. It shouldn't be anything too different that what is found on some of the other Final Fantasy pages. Only better. ;)
What I was asking for is a good FFT story FAQ that I can use as reference while writing my outline. The Zodic Brave Story FAQ I mentioned is a good start, but it's very difficult to find specific information in it. Help from people who have played the game a lot is also appericiated. After all, every project here is a community project. :) And I do need help, because my biggest problem is simply not knowing how or where to start. PiccoloNamek 07:58, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
I've been trying to think of a good basic plot summary, but the only thing I can think of is "The story begins shortly after the end of the 50 Years War". I've been going through the "Brave Story" menu of the game trying to get more information, but it's a slow process. PiccoloNamek 20:50, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
Of course they can! Don't think I forgot about them. :) In fact, it would probobly be easier to write about them first. I was thinking of something along the lines of:
Any other ideas? I'm starting on it in notepad now. Once I feel it's presentable, I'll post it, and we can all have a go at refining it.
PiccoloNamek 07:16, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)
How does this sound so far? Is to too technical?
http://catclub.dnip.net/piccolonamek/text/FFT.txt
PiccoloNamek 22:15, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)
I went ahead and added it. Feel free to edit at will if you think it will improve clarity or formatting. Or if you notice any embarrassing grammar errors. Hehe. PiccoloNamek 03:42, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)
I plan on making a list of the job classes and including a small description of each. (There is precedent for something like this, for example, in the FFX article, all of the aeons are listed with long descriptions for each. I don't plan on doing anything that extensive.) Do you think this will be appropriate? PiccoloNamek 06:14, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)
The plot is very intricate, but I'm trying! Also, I'd like to apologize for talking so much here. It must look very silly. I will try to be more efficient in the future. PiccoloNamek 15:58, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)
It has occured to me that the plot may have been based on the Sengoku, and especially on the Onin_war, which was the beginning of the Sengoku. The two stories are very similar, with a war of succession, two sides forming around political leaders that were no part of the succession. Considering it, Ramza can be seen as the reunificator of Ivalice, a kind of Oda_Nobunaga + Toyotomi_Hideyoshi + Tokugawa_Ieyasu, and his death at the end of the game reflects the one of Nobunaga.-- Bloodstained Agar 16:49, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've added a cursory plot analysis. Is this the right place for it? -- Vaergoth 15:22, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I think the game Flame Dragon 2 has a fair degree of common features with FFT. I've no idea if there was any cross-influence between the games, does anyone? Perhaps that game should be linked at the bottom of this article - similar games? Just an idea. ( Therin83 01:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC))
An additional element of this game's presentation that I believe is worthy of mention is its theatricality, if for no other reason, for its innovation in using such a presentation. This is an element that is commonly overlooked by Western players due in part to the poor localization. A few examples are the design of the game's "sets," the method in which characters are stabbed and crumple to the ground, and, most notably, the dimming of character sprites as they walk "off stage." This is also lost in script translation as well due to incompatible nuances in the English language. I am aware of no other game, in the role-playing genre or not, that is presented in such a theatrical manner. ~ Seitori, 12:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I've placed some images onto the page. Do they look appropriate? Is the description of the battle picture fitting? Edit at will. PiccoloNamek 09:01, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
I think it looked nicer with the logo on the top. It was a good introduction to the article. Besides, who wants to stick with what is normally done? Where's the fun in that? Come now, which one of these really looks more attractive:
Having the logo on top, to me, exclaims "This article is about Final Fantasy Tactics!!", while the other one is little more than an image of the logo.
PiccoloNamek 20:23, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
No! You're just being mean! ;) But seriously, I had better quit while I'm ahead because most people will probobly end of preferring your version.
The original comparison picture wasn't even on Wikipedia, but photobucket. But then photobucket started having problems. I guess since they're not anymore, I can switch it back.
Comparison Picture PiccoloNamek 07:15, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)
Something interesting. I've posted polls on several of the bulliten boards I visit, and the majority of people seem the prefer the logo on top. I did not vote in any of the polls. PiccoloNamek 00:20, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
The presentation of the article itself is more important than some vague overreaching concept like "cohesion between articles". Either way it's a moot point now, because the contents menu makes it look funny with the logo on top. And thank you. PiccoloNamek 01:12, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
What do you think? Is it too much? It looks nice but I'm afraid it takes up too much space. Please give me a chance to fill in the white space before you pass final judgement.
If you like it, feel free to add or revise the descriptions, because they need it. (Most of them are taken from the game itself.) More detailed descriptions would also help to fill up the white space and make it look nicer. I tried to list what I thought were the foremost characters in the game, but feel free to remove some if you think they don't fit here.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/PiccoloNamek/Better.jpg
See? Like that. Much better. We can do it!
Perhaps there should also be a distinction between the playable and non playable characters as well.
PiccoloNamek 03:20, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)
Looking at the different versions of the page side by side, I can't see any difference. What browser do you use? PiccoloNamek 19:14, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
I see now. I don't like it at all. It took a lot of time to properly align each character with it's description. Good thing I saved the original code. Once I find time to complete all of the character descriptions, I will see how it looks with the original format. PiccoloNamek 20:25, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
IANAL, but the character graphics add little besides copyright concerns and extra space to this article. Thoughts? jdb ❋ ( talk) 01:36, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
When I get the article looking good in one browser, it looks bad in the other. It looks just fine in IE but rather jagged in Mozilla Firefox. I need some fine tuners to help me with this. Also, Cidolfas from FFCompendium was kind enough to let us use his character descriptions. You should all e-mail him and say thank you. PiccoloNamek 17:23, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
The Shrine Knights, (especially Vormav and Weigraf) play a big enough role to be added in I think. -- Havermayer 20:25, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm also thinking of adding an entry for Saint Ajora Glabados, but I can't find a good pictute of him/her. If anybody has one that's similar to the pictures already on the page, please let me know.
PiccoloNamek 05:02, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I don't think there's a single picture of Ajora. The only "appearance" he/she makes is at the end, when he's in Alma's body.-- Havermayer 04:16, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Final Fantasy Tactics was notorious for being one of the rarest, priciest, and most sought-after PSX games in existence
Uh, I don't think it was ever THAT rare. Certainly not to the levels of a number of other games. It seems a bit not-quite NPOV, a bit hyperbolic -- perhaps changed to "Before it was re-released under Sony's "Greatest Hits" label in 2001, it was highly sought after and went for prices exceeding $100 on Ebay and elsewhere. At the time of its reissue, it was the only game to be re-released under that label without meeting Sony's guidelines of breaking sales of 200,000 copies."
Anyone else agree or disagree with this wording? Melodia Chaconne 9 July 2005 18:35 (UTC)
I bought my copy at Sears I think, and this was maybe a year after it came out. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 10:03, 2005 July 17 (UTC)
Citation on this topic may be obtainable if a researcher also looks into the secondary sales patterns of other uncommon yet popular PlayStation games of the time period such as Xenogears, Suikoden II, and Intelligent Qube. ~ Seitori 12:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have a cite for the factoid that Bahamut Lagoon was originally produced under the working title Final Fantasy Tactics? Because it seems like one of those things that should really be listed in our references section.... – Seancdaug 03:10, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
Why no mention of this game's high level of difficulty. It turned myself and several other off of this game despite its good features. DirectorStratton 15:28, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
We can't, because difficulty is subjective. I had no problems at all beating the game. Wikipedia articles should strive to remain objective. What was hard for you was easy for a lot of people, and we can't make a generalized statement such as "This game is difficult", or what have you. PiccoloNamek 18:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I found it farely easy. The final boss was just the easiest fight of the game. As the game advances and you can train more, it becomes a lot easier. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.119.231.215 ( talk • contribs) .
The games not all that difficult compared to its predesescors. FF1 for example (not for the gameboy, for the nes) recquired one to do several build up battles in order to win. This game just recquires a few and a bit of planning on what jobs to be and effective JP grinding.
While PiccoloNamek is correct on the concept of subjectivity, I submit that the game's steep learning curve be mentioned. It could easily take a user an hour or longer to proceed through the in-game tutorial. This could even be indirectly referenced, as several reviews mention the game's difficulty/learning curve. ~ Seitori 12:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I found a couple of battles really insanely hard, until I figured the right way to fight those particular battles. It was especially annoying to have to sit through a cutscene and be told to protect someone who dies in the first round of combat before i could even act. =) But I figured out some tricks and the game is quite easy. I usually put my team on autopilot to stride through random fights. -- Sy / (talk) 17:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The gameplay section is a bit too lengthly. I suggest moving some of it into a Wikibook, as it fits better there than in the Wikipedia article. -- ReyBrujo 06:32, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Please stop linking to a French FFT website. This is not Wikipedia FR, it is Wikipedia EN. Further additions of this site may warrant action. Rockhound 14:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps mention should be made of the challenges like SCC and SSCC -- that's a big appeal of this game for some people (the SCC is trying to beat the game with 5 units that can only be one job and use only skills from that job, the SSCC is the same thing but with only Ramza) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.79.65.118 ( talk • contribs) .
Just a rumor right now, but according to [2], there is going to be another Final Fantasy XIII spinoff for the Nintendo DS, which will also be a new Tactics game. I think it warrants mention? - A Link to the Past (talk) 09:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I read it on an unknown site(I can't remember the address, sorry) but it says that it also takes place on Ivalice. So far, that is the only connection of the series. Pathbinder 07:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
The critism section at the end of the article states it was well accepted and slowly was critized as time went on, and in the same paragraph states that the game has aged well and all this stuff on how great it is still today...might wanna check it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.38.199.83 ( talk • contribs) .
too much personal opinion is used towards certain elements of the game,such as ninja is the best class,and geomancer is useless, this offsets the facts,in that ones opinion may differ a newcomer to the game
the reference used to state that FFXII takes place after FFT is mistaken. FFXII is modeled after the roman empire while FFT is modeled in the middle ages, and follows a similar placement in time. In Final Fantasy Tactics, there are points that heavily imply the timeline of FFXII existed prior to the game. Agrias Oaks is quoted saying that " I hear a 'lost civilization' is hidden under Goug.... When St. Ajora was alive, airships were in the sky, and human robots in town. But time passed, technology was lost, and no one knows if it ever really existed." I believe Alexander O. Smith translated part of it as "when airships plied the sky" in the english FFXII trailer. There are also floating lost continents in FFT, which are part of the map in FFXII.
I don’t think that’s accurate I read in several magazines that ff 12 takes place several hundred years after tactics………… and that the technology had been reclaimed or something of the sort. I think the tv show x play said the same thing although they are not the best source of accurate information. 207.200.116.133 04:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
To User:NoahK, some parts of this sentence - Final Fantasy XII also takes place in Ivalice and features the same races found in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. - is not related to Final Fantasy Tactics, but rather to FFTA. Why? The first phrase, Final Fantasy XII also takes place in Ivalice does relate with both games taking place in Ivalice, but mentioning that it features the same races found in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. why? we are talking about Final Fantasy Tactics, not Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. i'll redo the edit. 私はBluerfnです 17:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I notice that much of the text describing the jobs in this section is taken directly from the game, and certain passages ("Fine warriors, bold and brave, with etiquette", for example) don't read very well. Perhaps a few should be re-written, or is it more accurate to use the source text for describing them? Willpower 08:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed a lot of the recquirements for the higher level job classes are missing. Is this to avoid spoilers or just lack of information? I added the ones I knew off the top of my head. Rmove if unwanted.
I removed the section about Final Fantasy Tactics A2 Fūketsu no Grimoire because it's obviously a direct sequel to Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and not FFT. Firstly, there was nothing about any grimoires at all in FFT, and what else cold the A in A2 stand for?
Also, like it's been said at the FFTA2: TSG talk page, there is nothing about it being on Nintendo DS. So far the platform is unspecified, although I'd say it's the most likely, seeing as the GBA is almost done with. Choogle 09:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This article from RPGamer states that despite the name, A2 is not related to FFTA, listing Games Are Fun (who have their source as a magazine scan at
this article) as their source despite the fact at the actual article doesn't say that and implies the opposite... I don't read Japanese myself so I can't verify the information either way, but I think we should look into it further than just saying that A2 means its related to Tactics Advance instead of Tactics, since it wouldn't be the first misleading title in video game history (or even Final Fantasy history, since Tactics Advance was forever implied as a GBA port of Tactics...)
Shouldn't this game be getting its own article by now? FFTA2 got its own article and the game was only a footnote on the magazine scan the info for this game came from. Also: Should information that has surfaced from the FFT:TLW trailer be used to confirm or infirm alleged translation inaccuracies? As such, a formal request to branch off a new article is now in effect. Please consider it. LanceHeart 06:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
i dont know if anyone else has made this connection but the cover of the Chiodos album All's Well That Ends Well (album) bears a striking similarity to the mime class of fft (boy with a bird head, girl with a mouse-ish head). its only a theory, but if anyone finds any info, i think it should be noted. Evaunit666 01:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
There's not even a single line about the music. I can't see it being a good article without something as important as that at least being mentioned -- especially since FFT's OST has a general positive reception. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 13:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Or the game classes system. FFT has a classes system similar to D&D but it has some classes of its own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.45.86.16 ( talk) 14:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
There are two reasons why this article fails to be a Good Article. The main reason is that the vast majority of the article is unreferenced. There are many statements which are not verifiable, and the article borders on original research. Below are a few example sentences from the article which should be referenced. The statements may be 100% true, but there is no way to verify their accuracy without references. This is not a complete list of sentences that need to be referenced:
Also, the last reference in the article's reference list is not formatted correctly.
Two of the three images in the article do not have a fair use rationale. A fair use rationale similar to the one used for "BattleGrid.jpg" should be added before renomination.
Snottywong 16:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Oppose: Hey, why is there a Final Fantasy III (Nintendo DS) article when we have a Final Fantasy III article already? And before you make any hasty mergedit, consider that I'm pouring my effort to make the article noteworthy. Give it a few months, it's not even out yet. Merging won't help the situation for the article considering it is not even in GA status yet. Bluerです。 なにか? 13:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Dawn of Souls has its own article because it can't be merged into FFI or FII: it's a compilation of both games. The Ivalice Alliance argument has no weight because of Finest Fantasy For Advance: the FFI to VI handheld ports are part of FFFA while their original versions are not, yet they don't have their separate articles. Kariteh 16:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
With that said and done, I think we should leave the merging issue for awhile and instead concentrate on bringing this lovely article to GA, people. That's the whole point anyway, get this article to GA, then we can rethink about merging. I'm thinking of rewriting the plot sections. Bluerです。 なにか? 11:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The article should use the feminine pronoun for her. Kariteh 16:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the FFT will be considered a good article self-nomination when it meets the good article critera. This nomination reminds me of the FFXII FA push. I will need some help with that. We have to cite references and/or sources (see WP:CITE). This article has this unreferenced tag: I will try to improve on the citations to match up with the GA status as explained above. I will have to use references from various sources (such as IGN, Gamespy, Gamespot and the FFT game guide from Brady Games). Good luck, everyone, and I like to say a quote from the Star Wars saga: "May the Force be with you, always". Anything else you want to add? I think a peer review would be considered as well. Sjones23 23:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I posted some parts where references are imperative. The gameplay section in particular needs to be drawn from either in-game manual or product manual or reviews or interviews. Also the reception section can be expanded, there are lots more reviews for this game. Bluerです。 なにか? 09:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi once again. Think we can add references and/or sources for FFT? If you want to cite sources to the FFT game guide (Brady Games) and anything else (i.e IGN, Gamespot, Gamespy), go ahead. Thanks. This article needs a lot of work to become a GA. Sjones23 21:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I added a reference and it is here. Any more references to throw in should be greatly appreciated. Sjones23 20:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Nominated for GA status. — Deckill er 21:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This article meets the GA criteria and I passed it. Some things you can look at for improvement are: making sure all citations go after punctuation, a good copy-edit, take a look at the reception section it feels too possitive, some criticism of the game would be ideal. Darth griz 98 21:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The character page has little chance of being seriously referenced, so it would be better to bolster this article and add some more character detail in preparation for FA status. Judgesurreal777 01:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
LanceHeart 07:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Unlike most of the installments which have a "Music of FF..." article, FFT had only one simple soundtrack, no arranged album, EP, or singles. The FFT OST doesn't really need to have its own article, especially since it's unsourced and its section here is sourced, and is short. Kariteh 17:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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I have removed some unreliable sources but the change was reverted. I would like to know why they qualify as reliable. One of them was notably a Tripod fanpage. Also, the page for the Game Informer review is missing in the reference, and there is no source for SoundtrackCentral even though it is quoted in the article. Thanks! FFXII International + Paul Rodgers ( talk) 15:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I think Characters of Final Fantasy Tactics should be redirected here. The characters article has never managed to establish notability with concrete, significant creation and reception details. Furthermore, Final Fantasy Tactics is already a featured article and already explains what one needs to know about the topic in terms of encyclopedic information. For more specific information, the FF Wikia is already linked. Kariteh ( talk) 10:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Should Izlude Tingel be redirected here? On the one hand, it used to be an article, and it's unique in that there's not likely to be another person or thing with the name. On the other hand, it has no links to it, the character is non-notable, and Izlude isn't even mentioned in the article (a big minus towards redirect). Brought it up to test the waters. -- Raijinili ( talk) 19:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to give you a quick overview of the improvements I'm about to make and why I consider them necessary:
128.237.238.204 ( talk) 22:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Very nice article.
This reference is slightly inaccurate:
Number 50 Velius: Why, why is Virgo responding? You...can't be... Very nice! I didn't expect to meet you here! I thought it would take 100 years to find you! I never dreamed you were the one!Squaresoft. Final Fantasy Tactics. (Square Co.). PlayStation. (1997-06-20)
Velius is not the character who says this in Riovanes castle. At this point, Velius has been slain and Ramza is fighting Elmdor on the roof. This quote is made by Vormov, the only remaining Shrine Knight after the battle at Riovanes (His son Izlude and Weigraf a.k.a. Velius are both killed). It is at this point that he kidnaps Alma and proceeds with his plans to attempt to resurrect Altima. This happens in the room where Vormav transforms into Lucavi and slaughters multiple Riovanes knights, and his own son Izlude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.252.2 ( talk) 15:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Where it says "[...] apparently resulting in Delita's death shortly after the end of the story." When I played the game (several times), I was always under the impression that Delita was just wounded here. He gets stabbed by someone who isn't very powerful, and Delita was a strong as a tank. We never see him die, and the reference for this quote does not indicate his death. Cylith ( talk) 21:06, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
We have articles for each episode of Scrubs but not a character page for FFT characters? Wow. 199.117.69.8 ( talk) 21:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Why romanise the katakana? Why transliterate into katakana in the first place? What relevance has this little linguistic exercise in the first place? JIMp talk· cont 23:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Posting a publication by a game magazine that speculates about a game designer's influences does not prevent original research from being original research. Its speculative, holds no relevancy to the game itself, which is what the article is about. If we allow these edits then wiki articles would be filled with different theories and speculations backed up by sources and we don't need that. Thanks. 67.205.215.175
Hello, I wanted to let you know about this on going discussion, about whether soundtrack album covers should be included in the articles about the game's they are from. I know the outcome might also affect this page so I encourage you to join the discussion. ( Floppydog66 ( talk) 04:41, 25 November 2012 (UTC)) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Secondary box arts/soundtrack covers
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