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FAR20:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Requested move 3 May 2015
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Support. Based on the
article titles policy, the proposed move better meets the 5 criteria for proper article titles than the current title. The shorter title is of course more concise, yet still precise, is more natural and is recognizable, and is consistent with how most other articles on Spanish Governor-Generals of the Philippines are titled. In addition, the shorter name is better per
WP:COMMONNAME. This move request is a no-brainer. —
seav (
talk)
15:00, 3 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Your opposition is wholly based on
WP:NCNT and you never refuted my argument that the proposed move better follows the article titles policy. One is a policy, the other is a naming convention/guideline. Why should a guideline trump policy? Furthermore,
WP:NCNT allows for exceptions where the title is not appended, such as
Elizabeth II. So just mentioning
WP:NCNT is not convincing. —
seav (
talk)
15:56, 3 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Where does that convention suggest this title? There is only one famous Fernando Primo de Rivera in history and appending his marquisal title is only confusing. It makes the reader ask himself, "Is this the Fernando Primo de Rivera I'm looking for?" He is not well known in English by his title.
Srnec (
talk)
20:13, 3 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment. Some contributors will oppose this move "Per
WP:NCNT" and only that reason. This is not a convincing reason. Please see the excellent remarks of the closing admin on the requested move for
Elizabeth II at
Talk:Elizabeth II/Article title:
Finally, many believe that the naming convention should simply be applied without exception for the sake of consistency. That argument is also valid, since consistency is indeed an objective of article naming per
WP:AT, but it is not persuasive, because it does not address how the longer title conforms with the other four stated objectives of the naming policy: recognizability, ease of finding, preciseness and conciseness. In particular, the editors who are of this view do not generally address the strong empirical evidence that "Elizabeth II" is very likely the most recognizable name as envisaged by
WP:AT, which as a policy takes precedence over a guideline-level naming convention. Also, this position does not take into account that occasional exceptions may apply to guidelines, per
WP:GUIDES, and indeed they generally do not address at all under which circumstances an exception would be appropriate, thereby in effect treating the naming convention as a policy, which it is not.
Comment. The article on Fernando's nephew (the Spanish dictator) is at the shorter and original article title of
Miguel Primo de Rivera, and has been moved from
Miguel Primo de Rivera, 2nd Marquis of Estella over 2 years ago without any protest. So this is another piece of evidence that adherence to
WP:NCNT guideline is not mandatory. Per policy, article titles should be concise and not overly precise, which the shorter title does so perfectly. —
seav (
talk)
22:50, 3 May 2015 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Parents
"Fernando Primo de Rivera was the son of Antonio Hermenegildo Primo de Rivera y Sobremonte and his wife Ana María de Torres Rovellas y Peña Vélez (1811–1865) ..."