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Why does the title indicate that Fenwick is located in Chicago? Oak Park is a suburb outside of the city. Also, the St. Ignatius-Fenwick rivalry is highly exaggerated, comparing it to Andover-Exeter. Oak Park and River Forest-Fenwick is probably bigger and it still is not as intense as PA-PE.
This puff-piece, totally devoid of primary sources, has been put together by anonymous IPs who don't respond to warnings, several of which have been issued by myself and other editors. Every day it reads more like an ad, and I would encourage anyone who has a little time on their hands to spend it cleaning this mess up. I gave it a bit of a try, but couldn't verify almost any of it anywhere except on the school's own site, and even if I accepted all of that as fact, there were still claims (only HS in the US owned by the Dominican Order, for example) that not even the school's site reflected. (added by Poindexter Propellerhead | Talk at 17:16, May 27, 2007)
One of the areas we're working on is to verify much of the information in the article and provide verifiable references. Most of the "facts" in the article have no sources attached to them and will be deleted soon if none can be found and added; this will effectively gut the article. We alert interested editors to this need (and danger) with maintenance tags, such as {{Fact}}, {{cn}} and {{Primarysources|date=May 2007}}. However, one or two editors have been routinely removing them without making improvements to the sources issue (and have also been adding more "facts" without sources, thus adding to the problem). Two things happen as a result: (1) interested editors are not alerted as quickly to the important work to be done, and (2) readers are not alerted that the "facts" they are reading have not been vetted and may not be accurate. We certainly appreciate the interest these editors have in improving this article and hope they continue to contribute, but please do not remove maintenance tags without first completely resolving the issue in question.
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It is verifiable by the newspaper (a secondary source unconnected with the school), I have no interest in people going to Fenwick or even liking the school, I did not go there, nor am I linked to them now, but the listing has to be accurate in what the school is for people researching it. I'm sorry in using the word "website"- poor word choice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.142.117.238 ( talk • contribs) 18:50, June 9, 2007
may want to correct the problem with duplication on the bottom of referces that resulted when trying to add the missing citations for 17 and 18. Both of those citations are coming from (Long, Dan)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.154.151 ( talk • contribs) 11:35, June 10, 2007
I am unable to find a source to support the statement, "The Blackfriars Yearbook has just received a 1st place award from the American Scholastic Press." ASPA's own website, which
lists this year's (and past years') awards, does not support this. Can anyone provide relevant information on this (hopefully in the form of a link to a website)? Otherwise the statement must be removed.
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The Oak Park newspaper printed that the school has won 8 Gallery of Excellence Awards from Walsworth Publishing Company for the Balckfriars Yearbook. It was the Wick (school newspaper) that just recieved a 1st place STANDING from the American Scholastic Press. I went into Fenwick's website, it is also stated there as well- go into "students", then go into "clubs & organizations" and open up "the Blackfriars Yearbook" and "the Wick". The school will reinterate what the Oak Park paper has also printed.
I went into the ASPA's website, it does list "Touchstone" which is a magazine that Fenwick puts out in unison with their yearbook (the two together) that did win an award.
You know what, I will not spend any more time with this. I have been researching this school more than any one else. The information that I have provided has been accurate. If you go into the IHSA website, you will find under schools that you can get to a Fenwick listing and there is a yahoo map that clearly will show the school on Washingtonm Blvd. and the Priory on Division St. You can do a basic web search right now on the the school's architect which will lead you to the gothic church the architect designed for Notre Dame University. I have provided you with the data base that has all of the articles listed about the school with Pioneer- which was completely removed. It is no mystery that a Blackfriar is for the Dominican Order- it is even listed right there on their yearbook. And I appreciate you not wanting to use primary sources, but come on, it's not like the shool made up it's 1929 yearbook that has a picture of the building of the school as well as information about the architect who designed it, which is all available on their website.You can point out that the information is coming from a primary source, and researchers who are looking at Fenwick's page will take that into account. It doesn't mean that just because something may be coming from the schools website, that it is wrong or still not of value. There is a substantial level of credibility to any reputable high school or university's website. Before I got to Fenwick's listing, one would have not even recognized it as the school we are writing about now, and I just figured that could do a public service by improving the page. The listing you have for Fenwick as it is is 100% accurate witha a ton of other substantial portions missing, like their very exclusive alumni club that hosts a very important ball at the Cadilac Club of the Chicago Bears, or the school's very impressive chapel that was designed after the Blackfriars church in London with stain glass made by a Vatican artist, There is also a Fenwick Hall of Fame, and so on. But I will leave Wikipedia in your hands from now on.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.98.28 ( talk • contribs) 04:54, June 12, 2007 (UTC)
I am interested in sending my son to a top school in the Chicago area and have been researching schools. I noticed that Wikipedia's page for Fenwick has citations missing and looked into matters for myself to have justification. Fenwick, St. Ignatius, and Loyola Academy have the reputation of being the best perp. schools in the Chicago area and all are similar in tuition costs, making a choice for me a difficult one. I contacted Cheryl Harbour of the school who was able to provide justification of these claims that I saw on Wikipedia, and I received information from the National Merit Scholarship Corporation that has a profile of the school. Dr. Plass of the American Scholastic Press also wrote a profile of the school as well, and those points, formally needing citations, were verified. I thought that I should cite them for those, like myself, trying to make a hard choice. I was also referred to the Directory of Private Schools that lists Fenwick's and Ignatius' ACT testing scores, which are both similar at about 27 (Fenwick's specifically 26.5). Fenwick and Ignatius listing comes in neck and neck scholastically and are listed as the two best prep schools in Chicago, Loyola is a little farther behind. Fenwick is leaps and bound greater in athletics, compare to the other two schools. Fenwick and Ignatius are big rivals- loyola to a lesser extent, much like Andover and Exter as listed. Fenwick calls Ignatius "Iggy" to make fun of them and Ignatius call Fenwick the "dungeon" because of it's gothic school and black school colors. Also, because Ignatius is a far more beautiful campus as well. The school of Fenwick though is a beautiful gothic structure and was created in 1929 by the architect listed. Fenwick has a 1929 record of the architect on file- it can be checked, but I really didn't wory about that too much- it's not my primary concern of making a choice between Fenwick and Ignatius. The citations I listed should be put back for people trying to choose like I am. I will return the previous page. It is verified and accurate. The other uncited sources also seem to be correct- like their fight song being inspired from Yale's, but I don't have sources for that, and I don't really care to even look into that, again it's not important from my perspective. You may also want to check the web page of American Scholastic Press, Fenwick's magazine (Touchstone) is listed as an award winner. Thanks
The Directory of Private Schools is by Bunting and Lyon and it it also in accordance with many of the things that Dr. Plass wrote such as test score and high matriculations to Ivy schools and ranking Ignatius and Fenwick as the two best. There is a cite (Buntingandlyon.com) you can check and then you can order the report as I have which will verify if you want.
I also asked my friend if she knew anything about some of those other points that are not cited. Those check out to, and I now have info that can be cited. The school is by the archiect as listed. Go into Fenwick's Webpage and go into photos and then into "1929 booklet" and there is the first school yearbook scanned onto the site that talks about the design and building of the school and photo's of the building in 1929 as well as the architect who designed it. Then, there is a book written called "The Story of Notre Dame-100 Years", by Arthur J. Hope. Chpter 28 talks about the redesigning of Notre Dame's 1888 Sacred Heart Church by the same architect that did Fenwick. Fenwick was done in 1929 and Notre Dame's work was completed in 1931. My fiend also said that yes, the Fenwick song is inspired by one of yale's songs. The Yale song is called "Down the Field" and it is written by C.W O'Conner with music by Stanleigh P. Friedman. She also said that when girl teams are playing, they do substitute "Men of Steel" for "Teams of Steel" as was the case for the victory celebration when the girl's basketball won state. The information my friend has about the archiect and the school song came from material sourced by John Quinn the school's primary historian, Quinn went to Amhearst and also teaches at the school, he also won a golden apple teaching award while at Fenwick that awarded him a scholarship to attend Northwestern University for an advance degree in history which he also has now. John quinn is the brother of the prominant Quinn alumni listed at the bottom of Fenwick's page. That Quinn was a politician who attended Georgetown. She also said that if you go to Fenwick homepage and listen to their song and go to www.ivysport.com that also has Yale's song, they are almost identical. She also said that somewhere on the web the relevant chapter for the Notre Dame's book talking about the architect is also out there if you search the web. In short, Fenwick's page is accurate and it all checks out. I will put in the citations now- I will leave it up to you to adjust if need. Have a wonderful and safe 4th!
PLEASE NOTE: I sorry, the source is Bunting not Buntington as was previously cited. corrections were already done-thank you
ONE LAST POINT: My friend also said that there is a very important alumni missing from the list. he is actually both nobility and royality from a very ancient family. He is one of Fenwick's most illustrious alumni. He is most famous for being an aerospace engineer and car designer that designed concepts for the Bentley Continental Gt and the Ferrari Enzo. My fiend even asked the schoolabout this individual. She also said that he was class vice-president, Chairman of the Wick, and Captain of Fenwick's Track team of the discuss group.
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Fenwick's official school colors are black and white. These are also the official colors associated with the Dominican Order. The school also uses a simplifed crest, as well, also associated with the Dominican Order. A shield halfed with a reverted V portion of black on top and white below- symbolic of the Order's use of a black cape over a white tunic. Other colors (unofficially) associated with the school are silver and grey, that sometimes show up in sport uniforms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.141.156.8 ( talk) 18:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Before Fenwick became Fenwick High School in 1929, it was initially referred to as Dominican Academy and Dominican High School-partially in response to Dominican University in River Forrest. With the placement of the corner stone, it was officially called Fenwick High School in honor of Dominican Bishop Edward Fenwick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.141.156.8 ( talk) 18:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Many schools in Chicago try to claim Fenwick as a rival of theirs. St. Patrick's wants to be a rival with Fenwick's top-ranked water polo team. Loyola Academy is always against Fenwick in Hockey, while Oak Park River Forrest H.S. wants to see Fenwick as a cross-town rival, yet OPRF's 23 ACT average in comparison to Fenwick's 27 and nationally top-ranked academic and sports teams is hardly any real indicator of true competition, neither are the other schools. Overall, the biggest rivalry with prep schools in Chicago is between Fenwick and St. Ignatius College Prep, they are both in the same league academically, and they are both competeing to enroll Chicago's best and brightest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.141.156.154 ( talk) 16:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Per this sockpuppet report, and this checkuser request, several editor who have made significant edits to this page, have been confirmed as abusive sockpuppets/sockpuppeteers:
The Checkuser (see bottom of WP:RFCU link) indicates this person has a long history of adding hoax material to articles; unfortunately, they also seem to have a history of adding legitimate information as well, so their changes can't just be blindly-reverted. I do not have enough knowledge of this particular subject to be helpful, but I suggest those of you who do, and regularly maintain this page, go back and review these users' additions, remove anything they've added that can't be sourced and verified, and add citations for anything that can be sourced but is currently unreferenced, to remove any suspicion of the legitimacy of the article.
They appear to be somewhat prolific, so if a new account shows up lobbying for re-insertion of any material you folks end up deleting as unsourced, I'd suggest being a bit wary, and insisting even more strongly than perhaps we usually do on verifiable, reliable sources for everything they try to add. They tend to cite "rare" sources that they have in their possession, so I guess emphasis on "verifiable".
I'm not checking each article I tag with this information, so if you've already noticed this misbehavior and dealt with it, feel free to mark this section resolved or something. -- barneca ( talk) 15:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
There were some very lofty claims being made in the extracurricular section that was not being backed up by references, most notably, the math team and scholastic bowl team being top whatever in the nation. First, if they were, it was for a certain amount of time that was never noted. Second, knowing scholastic bowl, the team was never nationally ranked by anything other than a single author's blog opinion. Third, the Wheaton North tournament, while a big tournament, did not involve Fenwick beating the University of Chicago Lab School, because Chicago Lab has no team and has never attended a scholastic bowl tournament. This tells me that sources are either unreliable, or some editors were getting inventive with writing. Given what I see above, I think it was the latter, but from what I know of journalism, It may be a combination. I think this article is well on its way to being an excellent article thanks to many editors who labored to get the sourcing. Please be sure that anything you add is rock solidly sourced, is encyclopedic, and is not of short term interest. Make your writing precise. LonelyBeacon ( talk) 21:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Fenwick is currently defined as a parochial school- which technically it is not. Traditionally, parochial schools are schools with a parish attached to them. Fenwick does not have such a parish. It is a private day school of Roman Catholic denomination and run independantly. The "Special Archdiocese Admission Test" is also ambiguous. I had provided more specific wording to clarify what that means. The tuition cost is also misleading- it is a base devoid of sports costs and additional fees for extra-curriculars. Attending Fenwick will ultimately be in excess of $10,000. The reverting that is taking place, is not presenting a fully accurate account- not to mention that fenwick has a 100% college acceptance rate throughout it's founding, which was stated previously and validly cited as well. There was also removal of several notewothy and justifiably placed alumni that were fully cited. The webpage source that you are using at the moment is fine, but an incomplete list. Some alumni of the school do not want their biographies to apprear to non-alumni. Alumni of the school have their own code that opens up a complete listing of all memebers- therefore you have removed alumni that deserve to be on the list. Dr.Oak ( talk) 23:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I think the article now looks very complete, written encyclopedicly and constructed well. The placement of the images by LonlyBeacon also creates excellent visual balance. Dr.Oak ( talk) 15:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
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Very special and public thanks to User:Ruhrfisch for his time and effort in peer reviewing this article. I have already taken some steps in regards to the suggestions. Aside from more references. There needs to be more addition by subtraction. The timeline near the end needs to be excised. I have not done this, because some of that needs to be added into the history section, and I would rather an editor more knowledgeable on such matters (and thankfully, I know there are at least one or two) handle that part so that it gets worded accurately. LonelyBeacon ( talk) 20:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Also thanks to User:Finetooth. I just noticed that this was a separate editor, and not just "finer" suggestions being made by Ruhrfisch. LonelyBeacon ( talk) 20:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Corrections made: Excised timeline, and scratched valedictorian and senior officers. Important dates were added into text with citation. Dr.Oak ( talk) 00:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I am re-assessing this article as B / High for WikiProject Schools. The peer review at Wikipedia:Peer review/Fenwick High School (Oak Park, Illinois)/archive1 contains plenty of advice in improving the article. Overall, the article seems to be meet the standards for B-class and is on its way to GA. Additional hints I can give is to make sure the article uses appropriate cite templates such as {{ cite web}}, expand the lead a bit more, ensure the article is fully compliant with the WP:MOS, and to investigate the copyright of the logo more as the licence's accuracy is a bit suspicious. I am giving the article high importance for its alumni, long history, notable teachers, and achievements. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
I have to disagree with some of LonelyBacon's removal of alumni. both the General and WWII flying ace deserve their own pages within Wikipedia and have good sourcing to them, outside of Fenwick. Those two, at least, deserve to be brought back with valid sourcing. Catal uber ( talk) 00:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
There is two General Healys, one major and one brigaider, and I beleive they are father and son. Sourcing is confussing and just removed alumnus for now till better sourcing emerges- but he should be in there. I sourced the ace, Cullerton, properly Catal uber ( talk) 01:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
why do you revert an edit by saying that it it not listed in a 2009 mag, when the citation comes from a site and indicated as such. The facts are correct, cited correctly, and can be checked as we speak. So what is your issue? Fenwick HS ( talk)
That is not the souce I used or cited. You are just trying to create an excuse to revert.It is cited correctly. If you revert again, than you are just unethical. I also don't take bait of trolling. Fenwick HS ( talk) 18:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't really see the logic of removing a factually accurate point about the 2010-2011 standing on merit-based scholarships, nor that Fenwick was the 2011 conference chess champions, or removing a ton of notable alumni from the business section. This isn't a conflict of interest or a "prestige factor". No one is writing that Fenwick is the "greatest school". These are legitimate points, factual points. Now it did say that Fenwick achieved a "record" $40 million in merit-based scholarships- which is a record for the school- and may be confussed as a national record. That wording may be corrected. But $40 million in merit based scholarships- is simply a factual statement, and not a prestige issue in ay sort of way. Returning factual points with corrected wording.thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.7.196.150 ( talk) 16:13, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
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I have removed a number of alumni who do not have wikipedia articles to show their notability. The edit is here is here [1] in case anyone wants to attempt to write articles for any of them. Some of them may well be notable enough to qualify for an article, but none of them appear to meet the requirements to be presumed notable without an article. Meters ( talk) 05:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC)