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The Farrer hypothesis is a subject I am interested in, so I'd like to develop this a bit. I've added a longish summary of the main arguments in Farrer's 'On Dispensing with Q'. I hope to come back shortly and add some more recent arguments, especially those of Goodacre based on the agreements between Luke and Matthew. It's the first time I've added anything more than a couple of sentences to a Wikipedia article, so I'm very open to advice on things like sections, layout etc - it's all a bit new... Matruman ( talk) 17:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
There was a refimprove tag on this article from over a year ago. I have added one reference to a paper by Goulder to back up the summary argument for the hypothesis, but I'm loath to rewrite the main sections so that they can be given more references. The point is that I deliberately originally wrote the article by reference to the two main primary sources (Streeter and Farrer). Using secondary sources would enable separate references to be given, but would be a retrograde step, IMO. I have, therefore, removed the refimprove tag. If a more experienced editor wants to put it back in, I'd be happy to try and improve it further, but I'd appreciate some suggestions about how to solve the quandary. Matruman ( talk) 10:15, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
This article puts the arguments against before the arguments for. While it's understandable in terms of the historical development of this hypothesis, it puts the hypothesis in a negative light. However, since the Farrer hypothesis originated as a response to Streeter, I'm not sure how to go about reworking it. Does anybody have any thoughts or suggestions? Aardvark92 ( talk) 21:54, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Critically missing from this article is a discussion of the minor agreements between Matthew and Luke against Mark. Michael Goulder challenged the hypothesis of the independence of Matthew and Luke in his article Putting Q to the Test by framing the problem as a hypothesis test, i.e., if the null hypothesis - that Matthew and Luke are independent of each other - can be shown to be false using the minor agreements, then the alternative hypothesis - that Luke was dependent on Matthew - must be true (assuming it can be shown to have equal or greater explanatory power). Mark Goodacre elevated this proposal to the level of a science in this 1996 book Goulder and the Gospels by choosing 6 examples of minor agreements of Matthew and Luke against Mark that are very difficult to refute. He focuses the debate with three clear examples in The Case Against Q. All of this needs to be carefully detailed in the article. Goodacre also develops important arguments demonstrating the improbability of narrative content within a Q document using narrative criticism in the same book. Imo, the combined arguments based on the minor agreements and narrative criticism against the strict definition of the 2SH expounded by Frans Neirynck and Christopher Tuckett have forced a retreat to a relaxed form of the 2SH in which Matthew and Luke are not completely independent (because of textual corruption) or there is some ambiguity about what version of "Mark" was used as a source by Matthew and Luke under the assumption of Markan Priority (not the canonical Mark of scholarly consensus but a different text-type or a proto- or deutero-Mark). See Is Q a Juggernaut?/Falsification for Goulder's comments on this special pleading. Ignocrates ( talk) 04:15, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
I can't help but feel like putting Farrer's responses inline after each of Streeter's arguments is listed biases the reader in favour of the theory. 66.48.27.161 ( talk) 22:07, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
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