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The article length is overblown because of many long quotes in citations. From a copyright perspective, have we crossed a line to copyright infringement yet or are we save? --
SonicY(talk)13:32, 23 July 2023 (UTC)reply
So many parts and sources were removed in a single day.
[1] I would like to ask other colleagues if you would agree to implement a revert to the stable version and possibly discuss each part to agree to its removal.
Mhorg (
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18:02, 23 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The only content removed was
WP:OR and
WP:SYNTH either not sourced, unrelated to the article subject or sourced to youtube, donbass.comments.ua, focus.ua and the Sun. Much more interesting are the added academic journals
[2], updates
[3], and context. The article still uses relatively poor sourcing such as opinion pieces in The Nation and isolated incidents mentioned only by NGOs but at least some improvements were made. --
SonicY(talk)21:37, 23 July 2023 (UTC)reply
There is nothing controversial in what Golinkin says.
[4] Please specify the part of the text you find problematic. And what about the article of Christopher Miller for Radio Free Europe?
[5] Why was it removed?
Mhorg (
talk)
21:18, 7 October 2023 (UTC)reply
You want to use McCallum as a source for controversial statements (is this McCallum?
[7] An account with 900 followers and a
NAFO dog in the image profile?). There is nothing controversial here, on the contrary, it is all confirmed by other sources. Moreover, Golinkin is quoted by many reliable sources.
[8]
Christopher Miller He is also unreliable by your standards. McCallum's statements are not controversial while Golinkin's are. McCallum is quoted by reliable sources, those quoting Golinkin are not reliable by your standards.
Manyareasexpert (
talk)
09:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)reply
May I also add that
Manyareasexpert was maybe using an erroneous definition of reliability as suggested by
this topic.
The role of
Stepan Bandera in public opinion and politics in Ukraine should be covered in this article. I'm talking about covering his relevance with
WP:DUE weight of course. Otherwise, this article would be incomplete or potentially disingenuous.
Alexis Coutinho (
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13:25, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
"In today’s Ukraine, Bandera is viewed positively by between 50% and 74% of citizens, depending on the survey"
[10] Yes, he is an important far-right figure in Ukraine. And if I remember correctly, there was also a section he spoke about which was removed. I agree with restoring it.
Mhorg (
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14:47, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
It is one article, a year old (the poll two years old) So at best we could say "according to..in 2022". Nor does it seem to say he is uniquely highly regarded, just that he is positively regarded I also note this is up as a result of the war, and that is reflective not of far-right politics but anti-Russian sentiment, now quite the same thing. I also see other names mentioned as well. So am unsure if this says Badera enjoys a special place in Ukraine's far-right politics.
Slatersteven (
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15:42, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
So do not ask me again, if you convince me I will tell you, rather than repeat what I am about to say "we need sources that say his far-right policies is what makes him extra special to Ukrainians" (or some such).
Slatersteven (
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15:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
You're exhausting to interact with. It Takes two seconds to piece these together. Two more to provide a source.
Source showing Ukrainians support Bandera, a far right Nazi figure.
That's a trivial argument. The Bandera page itself says in the first sentence that he's a far right leader. If you really prefer, the reference from the other wiki article could also be cited here.
Alexis Coutinho (
talk)
14:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Stepan bandera far right leader
You're exhausting to interact with. T
Takes two seconds to piece these togetber. Two more to provide a source.
Source showing Ukrainians support Bandera, a far right Nazi figure.