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Falls City Masonic Hall, in Fall City, per photographer's description
A possible error in name of place as given in the National Register's NRIS database was identified by editor SarekOfVulcan at
List of Masonic buildings. There are known to be typos in the NRIS database, so it is quite possibly an error to be corrected. However it is also possible that the city/village has been known both as Falls City and as Fall City, so it is conceivable that "Falls City Masonic Hall" is proper historic/current name for place and that it is located in what is now known as "Fall City". The NRHP nomination document would be definitive; NRIS typos are usually cleared up by checking that. I'll open a possible error report now at
wp:NRIS info issues WA. If an error is confirmed, I of course agree this article should be moved to "Fall City Masonic Hall", and the error report at
wp:NRIS info issues WA should then be updated. Thanks. --
doncram (
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18:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)reply
Here are various links that show the use of "Fall City":
Thanks for those links, and for adding pic to article, too. I note the pic description includes:
Falls City Masonic Hall (built 1895), 4304 337th Place SE, Fall City, Washington. The building is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and is a King County landmark. Due to a clerical error at the time of its founding, the hall's name refers to "Falls City", whereas the town is "Fall City".
I dunno what's right, now, though it seems like both spellings are then valid and should be reflected in the article. I'll address this more somehow, before i archive the corresponding item from my User talk page. --
doncram (
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20:03, 14 October 2010 (UTC)reply
Since I took the photo, I was recently asked to comment. The clerical error really did occur when the lodge was founded, and the lodge ended up with "Falls City" in its name rather than "Fall City" (a mistake people make all the time, I might add). You can contact them, and they will confirm this. -
Jmabel |
Talk22:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)reply
I appreciate that Jmabel responded to my request to comment here, in addition to having provided the pic in the first place. I dunno that Jmabel is going to be able to provide documentation, or want to. Jmabel already suggested verification of what he/she learned on the spot, is possible by contacting the lodge. Good documentation, probably detailing the naming confusion history, is also available in the NRHP nomination document. How to get that, for free, is described at
wp:NRHPhelp (basically, send an email and ask for it). Since getting that would help in other respects of developing this article, i suggest pursuing that approach now, if you are interested in further evaluation of the name or other development of the article. It doesn't now sound like there is any error in the current name. --
doncram (
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15:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)reply
3 ec's later: Absolutely not, i am not asserting that "NRHP trumps", that is an inappropriate projection of your own. The NRHP nomination document is available for free, though, and is usually a good, reliable document, often 20-30 pages and written by a professional historian. It would most likely provide good info on the point you question. I suggested that you get it, and have the additional info it provides to inform this discussion. --
doncram (
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15:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is an archived discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
I mean the plaque that reads in all-caps big letters "FALLS CITY MASONIC HALL", yes. About the building listed on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places as "Falls City Masonic Hall". Which you had just verified yourself in
this edit to a page about possible error corrections, i.e. you verified it is not an error to call it the Falls City Masonic Hall. I don't understand why you would just now open this requested move, a few seconds later. --
doncram21:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Simple. There was no typo in the NRIS listing - it was picking up a decades-old typo from the Grand Lodge of WA. However, that's not the name it currently goes by -- hence the move request. --
SarekOfVulcan (
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21:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Support move. It's clear from
this source that the current common name of the building is Fall City Masonic Hall, and it's clear from
this source that the "S" in the name of the lodge is there by mistake and has no bearing on what the building is actually called. (Additionally, common sense tells me that a masonic hall in Fall City is rather likely to be known as "Fall City Masonic Hall.") --
Orlady (
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01:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)reply
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