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The article reads like a glowing review of the song. The neutral point of view is not present. 2604:2D80:9F85:4D00:A4A2:42F1:83FB:7213 ( talk) 12:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Wiki article is colored by onesided opinion about this song. At 'how it is received', only the people with the other opinion are giving a place here. How about the millions that actually liked and downloaded it, so it became a number 1 Hit? ... Can we please keep the politics off wiki and just share the facts please..? 89.205.129.24 ( talk) 10:34, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
You can clearly read the opinion out of the article. It only gives space for being received by people who did not like it. Not up to standard for an encyclopedia 134.169.165.142 ( talk) 18:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
“[he] claim[ed] to hate for profit". - in Reception
As far as I know, Ben has never stated that he hates rap. He has only stated his opinion that rap isn’t music. He stated his opinion that music is composed of a melody, harmony, and rhythm. He said rap only has rhythm, therefore in his opinion rap isn’t music. Perhaps Ben feels rap is spoken poetry or rhyming lyrical creativity, or maybe he does hate it, but he hasn’t stated or claimed such.
He has not stated he hates rap. Whether his views have caused people to believe he hates rap because of his opinions, is irrelevant to objectivity. I feel it’s important to state this fact, instead of leave readers thinking that the commentators’ assumptions that ‘Ben claimed he hates rap’ are fact.
Unless I’ve missed a source stating such? 2A00:23C7:5000:8401:C58A:A39B:C6BB:A353 ( talk) 20:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Exactly. If I said that Tomato isn't a fruit, I'm not saying that I hate Tomato, but just sharing my own view. 2600:1012:B1AF:D7F:F532:B058:EDC6:AB51 ( talk) 12:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I think a more relevant point is that it isn't hypocrisy on Ben's part to partake in a rap song, because any normal person would be able to understand this song was made tongue-in-cheek and not supposed to be taken seriously. Ben pretty much sees this whole thing as a joke and wanted to have some fun with it, which makes sense as he titled his most recent podcast episode "I'm Retiring from Rap". 142.118.161.2 ( talk) 02:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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Created by Benmite ( talk). Nominated by MaranoFan ( talk) at 21:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Facts (Tom MacDonald and Ben Shapiro song); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Try to avoid images that divert readers from the bolded article into a side article – for example, taking a hook about a fictional character and picturing the character's also-linked portrayer.Zanahary ( talk) 05:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
“claims that rap listeners waste money on strippers and will end up in jail”
This is disingenuous; the intended target is ambiguous at least; lines before and after this one speak to/about ‘woke Karens’ and the vague ‘you’ (which may be interpreted as opponents or ‘haters’). To suggest this specific line about wasting money is somehow uniquely directed at rap listeners is disingenuous. It’s clearly targeted at those who the men claim would “turn boys into thugs and girls into [whores]”. 211.30.160.200 ( talk) 02:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be noted that Ben has since changed his mind on rap being a form of music? He rescinded his belief that rap was not music following an interview with Zuby. Just trying to be fair here. 4TheLuvOfFax ( talk) 20:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Facts (song) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 06:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Given that this issue seems to have just gone back in forth and is basically an edit war now, I'd like to leave a place on the talk page for everyone to share their thoughts. In my view, Nicki Minaj's praise of the song being criticized does NOT invalidate as a positive review of the song, and still is in line with the policy for "Reception" sections.
Additionally, WP:Criticism states that "Criticism" sections are best devoted to articles related to politics, religion, and philosophy, while "Reception" is more appropriate for media like songs. Although "Facts" is an undoubtedly political song, I believe "Reception" is more fitting. Coalah ( talk) 18:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that MacDonald said after releasing the song that it wasn't really intended to be a "good song" but was instead a troll on the music industry. I'm not sure how this would fit in the article but it seems to me that this could be worthwhile pointing out since a lot of the criticism was about the music of the song itself. Idk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.233.43.248 ( talk) 20:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)