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How is this article still here when the article on Mat Dickie (MDickie Software)was removed, citing relevance/notability over a year ago. Adam Ryland has produced all of two actual games, and the installed base for his commercial versions through Grey Dog Software number in the hundreds at best, while MDickie published an array of distinct commercial titles, as well as the updated versions of his wrestling franchise, during the same period. It seems like there's a snob aboard Wikipediawho thinks Ryland's games are relevant while Dickie's aren't, even though they both produced PC wrestling simulators and sell them through the internet (save that Dickie's first commercial game was published physically by a third party, and that Dickie's games have a much larger install base, on par with many more polished commercial games).
As someone who put hours into that one article that covered all of Mat Dickie's games only to see it deleted (it was certainly no "vanity" article, and it's deletion marked the end of my contributing time to this site), I ask you: is THIS article on just one of Adam Ryland's games (which probably hasn't been purchased by a hundred people) any more "relevant?" 75.105.128.37 ( talk) 04:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
This reads like an advert to me. (unsigned)
Agreed. That said, the information is sound and well-researched, though I might be inclined to bring up questions of notability. I'll take a look at revising it somewhat in the next few days, but other people's thoughts would be interesting. -- Lawlore 00:11, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The tags at the beginning of the article state that the information is disputed, and uses excessive cliches and jargon. Their is no discussion on this matter on the talkpage, and I disagree with theses statements, and will remove them in roughly a week, if no reason is given for this here. Discuss. - JohnstonDJ 14:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh and I agree with not many articles linking here, so Ill do my best to add in articles like business emulation, etx, if it is relevant. but until then i think that tag should stay. - JohnstonDJ 14:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- The importance tag is warranted as the article doesn't in my opinion address the importance of Extreme Warfare and why it warrants a Wikipedia entry. - As far as Notability, I don't think it meets WP:WEB. - There is a lot of stuff which I don't think is relevent that's included in the article. Just one example is "After release of EW 9000, Extreme Warfare met its main rival. A game called Promotion Wars was released by fellow British programmer Adam Jennings, taking some inspiration from both Extreme Warfare 9000 and Championship Manager. After the game's release, some of Extreme Warfare's fan base shifted their interest over to this game when released in October 2000." Why does this matter? - Advertisement: I think this article is not much more than an advertisement for Extreme Warfare. - Cliche/jargon: Just look at the first paragraph. "card based role-playing game based on wrestling." That means...what exactly? "extremely low-tech 2-player promoter game" huh? And the same reaction is sparked on my part by the many other similar cliches/jargon that run throughout the article. JB196 21:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't know that WP:WEB applies to this, it's not exactly a website. 70.69.176.34 09:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- Notability: TEW 2005 (and 2004 before it) were commercially available PC games. There are wiki articles about other such sports management games. An example of another one that started off freeware and became a commercial product is EHM, a hockey simulator that Sega now publishes. Theres even a wiki article about one is still freeware, Bygfoot, a football managment game.
- Advetisement: It talks a lot about the history of the series. Only one of the games is even available anymore, so the majority can't be considered "advertising".
- Cliche: "card based role-playing game based on wrestling." That means...what exactly? " It means a tabletop game about wrestling, that uses cards. Apparently that was the first version of this game before it was turned into a computer game. Promoter game is referring to the concept where you play as a wrestling promoter, instead of a wrestler. This game is basically the biggest "promoter game" around.-- 4.156.6.89 17:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
What exactly do you mean by "commercially available"? JB196 23:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
For sale, not free. And the Extreme Warfare games (all freeware) are not available to download form any official website, but yeah there are probably still some places to download them on the internet. -- 4.156.6.211 11:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
They used eLiscense, so you could buy the full version by entering your purchase info into the demo version which was/is downloadable from their publishers websites (.400 Studios for 2004, Grey Dog Software for 2005). You can also buy a CD version of 2005 from Grey Dog's website. -- 4.156.6.251 10:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
http://www.greydogsoftware.com/tew/ for TEW2005, 2004 is no longer available since .400 Studios went out of business, but here's a link to the .400 profile page from Gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/company/index.php?company=72337 Both companies specialized in sports management games for pc.-- 4.156.6.73 13:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Gamespot is a gaming news site, one of the top ones around. I just provided that link to show that .400 did indeed publish TEW 2004. Though, the fact that TEW2004, 2005, and even Extreme Warfare Revenge have gotten coverage on Gamespot, is a good indicator that the series is notable enough to exist on Wiki. Just cause the games publishers aren't big names, or just that EWR was freeware, doesn't mean they are nothing. Plenty of indie and freeware gaming stuff is covered on Wikipedia.-- 4.156.6.184 00:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
That is not the only reason, but it is a reason. It was already decided that it should exist, anyway. And the most if not all the tags do not apply, for reasons I already stated.-- 4.156.6.76 21:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC) I think its been pretty much shown to be notable enough to be here on Wikipedia. I have removed the Importance and Notability templates. I don't feel that this reads like an advert or contains too much jargon. It is about as clear as most other wrestling articles are, to the fans. As for advert, it really isn't. The statements made are good enough in terms of npov. Maybe a bit of cleanup is need on the TEW section, but the EW, EWD, and EWR's all fine. Brad Blaze 17:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
just because you havent heard of something doesnt mean it doesnt have a huge following, also ANY freeware game is in itself something that someone may seek reference for
"The {{ relevance}} tag seems silly since you can just remove everything you don't feel is relevant" - OK, it seems silly to you...I think there's an excess of relative info in the entry. JB196 22:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
This is a dispute about whether the tags that have been put up on top of the page should be there, and what should be done with the page if they are needed. 02:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Statements by editors previously involved in dispute
I don't see a reason for the tags being there, as this article is fine. The subject is notable enough to warrant one. The person who put up all the tags has offered to do nothing to fix what they think is wrong. 02:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
It's not really moot aymore, is it? Now that it keeps being reverted by an IP probably obtained by using a proxy. This needs to be finalized, or it'll go on forever. Akkifokkusu 20:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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