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Beats me. All the local news outlets are referring to it as the "Esperanza Fire." I may switch it back. I typed in "esperanza fire" to get here. I wouldn't have typed in "Esperanza Fires of October 2006" in a lifetime of trying. It's one big fire complex. -
Lucky 6.923:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Mr. Oyler is hardly deserving of his own article but, in regards to the Esperanza Fire he is extremely notable and I feel it's worth merging his article into that one. after a week, whichever way the consensus goes, I'll take the appropriate action.--—Preceding
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Acebrock (
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Edward4321 - No don't merge this article. This guy is certainly important enough to have his article. He is suspected of murdering 5 firefighters and destroying millions of dollars of homes. And his trial and even possible execution will make news again outside of the fire. This guy is certainly far more important than Scott Peterson who has his own article.
(originally posted on
Talk:Raymond Lee Oyler) I'm going to have to change my vote to no. He's been named a suspect in the Old Fire and this article will do no good as a redirect to Esperanza Fire, especially if he's charged--
Acebrock01:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)reply
Update:After a week, the general concensus is that the articles NOT be merged. I am okay with that, especially after Oyler's possible involvement in the
Old Fire. I have removed the merge request. If someone would like additional comments, please feel free to put it back but I don't feel it is necessary.--
Daysleeper4718:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)reply
See
here; that was a very old (and very limited) discussion. Also see
Natalee Holloway for FAR wider known perps. Further, the Oyler article was a complete duplicate of this one, redundant. Also, there was not consensus above.
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
16:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)reply
This has become a very notable situation due to the fact he received the death penalty. He is all over the news here in Los Angeles and most of california to the point where most people are unfamiliar with the Esperanza fire but are familiar with Oyler receiving the death penalty for starting a wildfire.--
Cyclopaedia (
talk)
18:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Disagree, pls don't revert again until consensus is established. (Sure, he's all over the news in LA; the Holloway perps were all over the news worldwide, too.)
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
18:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)reply
I would concur with Sandy, as one of the lead editors on the Holloway article. If what makes the person notable is the alleged involvement with the crime (though it is uncertain if there was a crime in the Holloway case), then there is no real need to have separate articles. Just have the name be a redirect to the article where the events of the alleged crime are covered. --
Wehwalt (
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22:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)reply
I don't know how to be more clear on this... He has gained notoriety for starting a grass fire and then receiving the death penalty for it. This has nothing to do with the Esperanza fire directly and has to do with legal precedence of handing out a death penalty for what some people consider an accidental death. I find it rather amusing that Oyler had his own article for a couple of years and now that he has gained notoriety for something other than the Esperanza fire, the article is now merge into the Esperanza fire article. But so it goes...--
Cyclopaedia (
talk)
23:13, 8 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Wait, consensus wasn't established to merge the article but you did anyway. What am I missing here? And again, he is all over the news because of the legal precedence (death penalty for an accidental death) and not because of the Esperanza fire. In regards to the Holloway article, we are talking apple and oranges here.--
Cyclopaedia (
talk)
23:13, 8 June 2009 (UTC)reply
The article says that 5 firefighters were killed in the opening and then when providing details of the incident lists the names of 6 firefighters that were killed. Which one is it?
Stevenmitchell (
talk)
16:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)reply
Quick fail. This has had multiple valid [citation needed] tags since 2013, and many whole paragraphs are unsourced. Despite the August nomination date the article has not even been edited since March. Also the Effects section violates
WP:USEPROSE. It is not ready for GA review. —
David Eppstein (
talk)
06:47, 22 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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