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I added an appropriate title. For7thGen 23:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
At the moment, these two sections contradict each other:
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Can anyone clear up the confusion? (I doubt that Jessie Hawley had the idea and then waited nearly a century to share it with Ellicott ;)]. fabiform | talk 20:47, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
"a series of legislation renamed the Barge Canal back to the Erie Canal, and its use was restricted to recreational traffic."
The influence of Jesse Hawley on the building of canal is fairly controversial, and not at all as direct as the current information in the entry would imply. The Hawley question (indeed, the whole issue over "who" came up with the idea and promoted the building of the canal) ought to be treated in a little more depth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.58.35.159 ( talk) 01:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
You're absolutely correct about this problem with the article; we almost need a subsection for a brief listing of the cast of characters who might also be credited. -A user —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.48.83 ( talk) 22:49, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
I have created a table to list all 34 locks, their locations, and lift.
Crossings were temporarily removed as the list was incomplete and unverifiable.
I have the code to replace crossings if anyone feels it is of value and would like to reinsert it.
Gee, I spent a lot of time adding pages about the Erie Canal locks. I had pages for Locks E1 - E13, with photos, text, and a template on each page, with more work to do. Now they aren't even listed in the "Pages in category "Erie Canal"". My old link just redirects me to the main page. I see the Erie Canal crossings "Bridges" pages are still listed. The table with the lock lift doesn't give you much of a sense for what the locks look like or what's around them or the history involved. I'd be pleased to see that reinserted, otherwise I'd feel like all my time was spent for nothing. HCO. ([[User:128.113.107.4|128.113.107.4}})
My congratulations to people who contributed to such a good article.
However, in the section Competition, its 3rd (and longest) paragraph ends with the words "; it (the Erie Canal) continued to compete well with the railroads through 1882, when tolls were abolished."
It's as though the (canal) tolls being abolished in 1882 had stopped the canal's competing well with the railroads. This does not make sense. If I were trying to clear it up, I would first verify that the railroads had charges which were NOT called tolls, while the canal charges WERE called tolls. If I'm wrong and the correct wording really is "when the railroad tolls were abolished", then please just insert the word railroad and the matter will be closed. My thanks to whomever knows about railroad tolls vs. canal tolls and clarifies the text.
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22:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
The photo of Lock 32 at Pittsford is a nice one, but I question whether it should be duplicated in this entry for two different captions.
The "tree stump puller" in the diagram seems unlikely. The horses are pulling a rope attached to an axel that is smaller in diameter than the wheel to which the chain is attached. If I understand the mechanics of it, this would make it harder to pull out the stump than simply attaching the rope to the stump directly. The diagram is also a rough pencil sketch. Is someone able to comment on the authenticity and suitability of the diagram? modify 13:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
In the fourth paragraph of the Construction section, the canal's Eastern Section is described as running "from Rochester to Albany". I believe this should instead be "from Utica to Albany", since Rochester lies along the Western Section, between Syracuse and Buffalo. Thus:
Western Section - Buffalo to Syracuse MIddle Section - Syracuse to Utica Eastern Section - Utica to Albany
The canal profile diagram, which is referenced in the article, seems to indicate that Montezuma is the demarkation between the Western and Middle Sections. However, I cannot find confirmation of this and the Construction section is rather specific in describing Syracuse as this point of transition. Brooks.Peters 17:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
See [1] which says it's not "Capitalization in Section Headings." Jim.henderson 03:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Interesting, that some anonymous editor thinks this particular railroad should not be mentioned, who keeps knocking it out and being reverted, and who hints at exasperation in his edit comments. He keeps on logging in from different addresses. Yet, neither he nor the rest of us have mentioned this persistent, sporadic, clueless but perhaps well meaning activity on the talk page. Anyway, here's his opportunity to discuss the question. Jim.henderson 06:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
2 things. First, the first ship (?) to transit the Canal was allegedly Seneca Chief. Verify & include? Second, & hinted at, was the economic effect: it moved the financial capital of the U.S. from Philadelphia to NYC. Verify & include? Trekphiler 12:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The Seneca Chief was the name of the ceremonial boat that Gov. Clinton rode on during the Grand Celebration. I don't know if it was really the "first" boat to transit. Keep in mind that most of the Erie Canal was open and in use by boats before October 1825. They just finished the last segment that year. -A user
Last sentence of third paragraph in first section reads, "...in 1817, Clinton was successful in convinced the New York State legislature..."
Should say, "...convincing..."
In the Section "The Route", "Onondaga Escarpment" should be substituted for "Niagara Escarpment", as the Niagara's eastern terminus is at Rochester. So, "From Canastota west it ran roughly along the north (lower) edge of the Onondaga Escarpment, passing through Syracuse[....]"
No doubt some text could be added to introduce the Niagara from Rochester to Buffalo, as the Niagara scarp/Lockport locks story is critical to the article. TrevorX 03:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
In the "History" section, it says "When barges crossed there was a quick unhitching and re-hitching of the draft animal teams while the barges continued due to momentum." This should say something like, "When barges crossed under bridges there was a quick...." I'm only newly registered, so I'm not allowed to make this change. Will someone authorized please make this correction? Awillmore 01:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
This has now been clarified by someone, by instead adding, "With only one towpath for traffic in both directions, when barges crossed...." This is now accurate, whereas my suggestion above was not! Thanks. Awillmore 16:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I just came across the Finch account at "THE STORY OF THE NEW YORK STATE CANALS GOVERNOR DEWITT CLINTON'S DREAM" by Roy Finch, 1925, and have added it into the article as an external link for now. Perhaps it has interesting material and can be used as a reference in the main text. It is semi-official, being written by a state employee and being provided at a State website. doncram ( talk) 18:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I got timed-out before saving.
So I sign it here.
-- 24.148.0.125 ( talk) 01:34, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
An oft neglected portion of the Erie Canal concerns the, what I call, the Holley Spur. I don't know when it was created to link downtown Holley, NY to the main canal but from what I have seen (having personally lived in Holley for the better part of twenty-one years) of its remnants, it certainly is worth a historical look. The is a map of Holley circa 1900 in the Holley library which shows this spur at it's height! I have look at the map (it is in the librarians office) and am constantly held in wonder at it's (the spurs) design.
In the 1990s from what I gather having talked with Mr. Ron Vendetti, who put for a lot of effort into his work, and having seen a good portion of it's results, work was started to highlight this spur. And in the 1990s a portion of the walking trail was dedicated by an ancestor of Dewitt Clinton.
Though Holley is small, the history of this spur and it's existence should engender more study of this spur which was created due to the unique geology of having a ravine pass right through the heart of the Village.
I hope this spurs (all puns intended) more study of this Erie spur which I feel is quite unique in relation to the Erie Canal.
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I reverted a refimprove tag and downrating of this article, in favor of discussion here. This is a high profile article, used by many students i believe based on the freuency of random changes to it. I think it harms the article and the readers' experience to have a tag that just tars it, without explanation. If there are improvements to be made to the article, please make them, or make specific suggestions here, please. doncram ( talk) 08:05, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
How come there is no mention of the Eastern Terminus of the Erie Canal, otherwise known as Erie Basin. It was built in Brooklyn to function as the eastern transfer point between the canal and ocean going transport, and as a central terminal for canal access to Long Island. It still exists, although it has recently been converted from industrial transportation to commercial, residential and Recreational use. SSG Cornelius Seon (US Army, Retired) ( talk) 16:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
See Cadwallader D. Colden (1817). The Life of Robert Fulton. New York: Kirk & Mercein. pp. 275–299. OCLC 123163823. Colden reprints Fulton's exchange of letters with the governor explaining the economics of the proposed canal. LeadSongDog come howl 21:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
In late 2008, the four courses of Nine Mile Creek at the Aqueduct were dredged. In 2009, the wooden trunk of the aqueduct was replaced and rewatered. Boats of the Camillus Erie Canal Park now cross the aqueduct. A dedication of the restored aqueduct is planned for May 22, 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canalsusa ( talk • contribs) 15:04, 23 March 2010 (UTC) wow
Why no clear map of the Erie Canal near the top of this article? It reminds me of the mainstream media news in which the geographical information related to the news story is routinely omitted. Rtdrury ( talk) 04:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
From the Impact section - "Earth extracted from the canal was transported to the New York city area and used as landfill in New York and New Jersey."
I think someone is confusing the excavations from the NYC subway system which was used as land fill for Ellis island, etc. Hauling large amounts of excavated material all the way from Albany to NYC hardly seems plausible. I've placed a citation flag next to the questionable claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DCwom ( talk • contribs) 12:18, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Statements like the one the header above are almost never accurate. Generally as a matter of public policy, everything goes into a general fund. It's very unusual for money to be earmarked for a particular purpose and without a citation I would recommend it be removed by someone who knows something more about the Canal. 67.241.98.126 ( talk) 02:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
There is some confusion about the Canal's exact relationship to the Thruway Authority that needs to be cleared up. -A user — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.230.238.139 ( talk) 12:14, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
http://www.thruway.ny.gov/about/factbook/part2.html:
"On November 5, 1992, legislation formed the New York State Canal Corporation, and the New York State Thruway Authority took over the operation and maintenance of the 524-mile New York State Canal System. The Canal System, which was formerly operated by the New York State Department of Transportation, is comprised of the Erie, Champlain, Oswego and Cayuga-Seneca Canals. The historic waterway provides seasonal navigation between the major water bodies of New York State."
http://www.thruway.ny.gov/about/financial/budget-books/2012/2012-budget.pdf: Pages 4 - 11 show the sources of revenue for the NYS Thruway Authority, which is a public-benefit corporation. They claim 0.3% federal money and nothing from the state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_state_public-benefit_corporations — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.124.134.210 ( talk) 22:33, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Why does this article say the Erie Canal was the first navigable waterway connecting the Great Lakes to the Atlantic Ocean? Surely the St. Lawrence River is navigable. Akwdb ( talk) 21:34, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
It sounds like this depends on your definition of "navigable" and "Great Lakes."
This... http://www.vsr.cape.com/~powens/riverhistory.htm ...has pictures of boats/ships in some of the rapids on the St. Lawrence. -And discussion of what kinds of ships could make it on the St. Lawrence before the canals. I would think that the navigability would vary with flow, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lawrence_Seaway "Because of the virtually impassable Lachine Rapids, the St. Lawrence was once continuously navigable only as far as Montreal. Opened in 1825, the Lachine Canal was the first to allow ships to pass the rapids. An extensive system of canals and locks, known as the Saint Lawrence Seaway, was officially opened on 26 June 1959 by Queen Elizabeth II (representing Canada) and President Dwight D. Eisenhower (representing the United States). The Seaway now permits ocean-going vessels to pass all the way to Lake Superior."
(BTW, I found a reference to construction of the Lachine Canal beginning in 1680!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Welland_Canal
"...but the actual construction [of the first Welland Canal] didn't start until July 1825."
The First Welland Canal opened in 1829...
Before the Welland Canal opened, getting past Niagara Falls would have been difficult.
The western ends of the various incarnations of the Erie Canal were upstream of Niagara Falls, getting you to more Great Lakes than the St. Lawrence - until the Welland Canal in 1829... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.124.134.210 ( talk) 23:33, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to point out this very informative booklet, which appears to be authoritative, since it is published by the New York State Canal Corporation. Since it is freely downloadable, it is available to anyone who wants to see it. This may be a good source for many of the needed citations for the article. I suggest citing the page number (and not forcing the reader to search the entire book) by following the style of some of the cites I've already inserted into the article. Just refer to the existing cite, using <ref name="Finch" />, and then follow it with {{rp|42}}, where "42" is the page number, for example. To see this ref style in use, look at how the refs for the "Waterford Flight" appear in the article.
Happy citing! Reify-tech ( talk) 13:57, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I've updated my above recommendations on citing page numbers, to use TEMPLATE:RP, which is easy to use and eliminates redundant reference text. Reify-tech ( talk) 17:09, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Under the section "Construction" is the following sentence:
Here "swamp fever" links to our article on Equine infectious anemia. However that disease is only known in horses and other references I checked explicitly say it does not affect humans. So perhaps this was instead a then-current local name for malaria? -- 96.233.85.146 ( talk) 21:23, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
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21:21, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[Re: "...that originally ran about 363 miles (584 km) from Albany, New York, on the Hudson River to Buffalo, New York, at Lake Erie....] The Hudson River goes north from New York City to the vicinity of Albany and thence farther north -- not west. It is joined there by the Mohawk River, which does go west, and the canal follows the westbound Mohawk River. See map at http://www.eriecanal.org/maps/NYScanalmap-1896.jpg.
68.118.203.21 ( talk) 21:57, 6 September 2013 (UTC) Pam Shorey
1. "The Erie Canal is a canal in New York that originally ran about 363 miles (584 km) from Albany, New York, on the Hudson River to Buffalo, New York, at Lake Erie, at the time completing a navigable water route from New York City and the Atlantic Ocean to the Great Lakes."
Presumably the word "originally" means it no longer runs this same route, yet there is no explanation in the lead about how the current route differs (unless it is the cryptic sentence below). This is basic factual information that really ought to be in the lead.
2. "In 1918 the approximate western half of the canal was enlarged to partially become the New York State Barge Canal which ran parallel to the eastern half and forms its new eastern branch to the Hudson."
This is hard to understand.
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This article has tons of style issues. It almost seems like it was written as a group project by a class of high schoolers. Is it possible this actually happened? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.187.40.110 ( talk) 20:36, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
The introduction mentions 36 locks. However, the specifications (at the right) say
Locks 83
Not wanting to fiddle with matters I don't know well, I leave to someone else to decide why is this difference.
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This new book discusses immigrants who worked on the Erie Canal and other transportation projects The Filth of Progress: Immigrants, Americans, and the Building of Canals and Railroads in the West by Ryan Dearinger, 2015, University of California Press. Maybe useful for expanding/referencing the construction section. Jodi.a.schneider ( talk) 00:41, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Suggest merging the first two (short) paragraphs of the above-referenced stub article into this parent article. Perhaps convert the remainder of the stub article into a disambiguation page. DA Sonnenfeld ( talk) 22:11, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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I can't get past this phrase, which seems not to make sense, especially in the context of the [2] article (last paragraph in section). The Tidal river article states that a river cannot be tidal beyond 62 miles, not the 150 miles from NYC to Troy. Further, how is the tidal nature of a river beneficial to shipping; for what goes up at high tide will go back down again? Or is the benefit in the predictability of the tidal variation? -- Quisqualis ( talk) 02:27, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
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"When completed in 1825, it was by far the longest canal in the world and greatly effected the development and economy of New York, New York City, and the United States." The Grand Canal (China) was 1784km vs 874km of the Erie Canal. 85.216.195.2 ( talk) 05:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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The article mentions at least twice the role of Irish immigrants in the early construcion and neglects to mention any other groups. Utica, for example, has a large Italian influence due to Italian construction workers. Nyth 63 14:08, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
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@ Smellyshirt5: The Saint-Simonians may have "influenced the creation of the Suez Canal", but this page is specifically about the Eire canal. I have searched through Barthélemy Prosper Enfantin, Henri de Saint-Simon and Saint-Simonianism but can find no references to the Eire canal. The fact that they were "major canal promoters" elsewhere does not mark them out as relevant to the Eire canal, any more than James Brindley is. Before reinserting them seek consensus here. Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 22:57, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Perinton Park is listed as being in Perinton near Fairport, but this is incorrect. It is confusing, but Fairport is a village that lies within the town of Perinton, NY, and Perinton Park is within the village limits. Therefore, the entry should say that Perinton Park is in Fairport, NY, not "near" Fairport. Jennyny ( talk) 10:03, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
In the intro paragraph, second sentence, what does "where Albany meets the Hudson River" mean? A city doesn't "meet" a river. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:AC08:A600:34A6:11B4:E50E:8E61 ( talk) 02:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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Who applies to people. Which or that would be more appropriate in the following passage in the article: ‘Prior to the opening of the canal pack animals who had a 250 pound (113 kg) maximum cargo capacity.’ 2001:8003:7C3A:7400:85EF:665E:7A0:93B7 ( talk) 23:58, 16 December 2021 (UTC)