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I have restored the sentence in the lead. It is not right that something with three references should be removed without discussion.
Please discuss here why the decisioon to remove this sentence was taken. Chaosdruid ( talk) 14:44, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Weak. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous ( talk) 02:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
If consensus agrees with you, that's the way it will be. I'll remind you that there is no consensus of one person, and that edit warring (including three full or partial reverts within 24 hours) is policy violation. Cresix ( talk) 19:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
There is no prohibition against asking an editor not to edit war on the talk page of an article in the context of a content dispute and after multiple reverts without consensus. And even more especially when warnings on the user's talk page are followed by continued reverts and a comment by the editor that he does not read the messages left on his talk page. As for "correctly citing it", providing correct citations does not negate the need for consensus. Read WP:CON. There is no consensus for your changes; the fact that you make them multiple times and claim to be right does not constitute a consensus. Cresix ( talk) 19:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
We'll get past it if you will stop edit warring, acting without consensus, and making unnecessary threats. As for the content dispute, this version of the article is perfectly acceptable. You can disagree, but so far there is no consensus for your version, and two editors have expressed opposition to your version(s) of the article. Now, as is usually done on Wikipedia, let's see if other editors weigh in. If another editor who hasn't expressed an opinion changes the disputed material contrary to the way you wish it to be, I strongly suggest that you not make any changes. You have skated on very thin ice in your edit pattern on this article, and a 3RR report is still pending. So please, for your sake as well as the article's, don't make any more changes to the disputed content. Cresix ( talk) 20:27, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Please stop creating a straw man to attack and divert attention from the real issue. If you can read, you can see the differences in the version of the article I linked and the latest version you created. And I'll kindly ask you to stop making false statements that "nothing is ... in dispute". You have demonstrated repeatedly that you don't care to follow the consensus process, and your post immediately above again confirms that. Now, if you have nothing additional to say about the dispute then say nothing, and don't make any more changes to the disputed material without consensus. 21:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Chaosduid, I agree with most of your comments, but it is not true that "all are agreed" or that the "topic is closed". I oppose The Artist's edits, not to mention his editing tactics that you so accurately suggested assume ownership of the article. Thanks. Cresix ( talk) 21:08, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
I have restored the encyclopaedic summary of the view given in several reliable sources. It is almost a truism to say that Clapton is regarded as one of the most important and influential guitarists - it's not really a statement that people are going to challenge, though it is appropriate that there are sources to refer to which support what is said. Using a single quote, and naming the person, makes it appear as though the view being quoted was somewhat exceptional, controversial, alternative, or particularly famous or notable. The view that Clapton is important and influential is a widespread and normal one, so that is what we should be saying. The quote itself was rather hyperbolic, and not quite appropriate for a sober and neutral encyclopaedia entry. I have also started a Legacy section, where views on Clapton's importance and influence can be properly explained. SilkTork * YES! 16:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Clapton's revolutionary use of the wah-wah pedal is quite an important part of his legacy and contribution to music. He should have a sentence in the lead dedicated to that, and there should be a mention that Jimi Hendrix pioneered its use concurrently (Hendrix should be mentioned in the same sentence; the vice versa has been done in Hendrix's lead). Hoops gza ( talk) 19:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
It needs to be mentioned in the lead. It is a vital part of Clapton's biography. Hoops gza ( talk) 01:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Wow, could I get some feedback please? Hoops gza ( talk) 18:41, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
When looking for sources for another article I found this interview in two sections, and while hilarious, has quite a bit of detail. I hope something here (mostly trivia, though), might beIf you can use some of this, that's my hope- but also, may give you a short chuckle or more: Part 1: [1] and Part 2: [2]. This is from the Frank Skinner show, in May, 1999. -- Leahtwosaints ( talk) 19:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I suggest moving the section of Clapton's music to a page of it's own. -- Leahtwosaints ( talk) 07:36, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I remember hearing three Eric Clapton songs over the entire Sopranos TV sreies. I'll have to go back and watch the whole of the Sopranos again I suppose. I get back to this.
Eddie Punch (
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07:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello , we know that eric is "CBE" Since he is "CBE" we can call him "Sir Eric Clapton" so, we can rename article , and call him sir eric clapton —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.182.102.63 ( talk) 17:20, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I like how you make the change THEN ask if you can do it a minute later. Dougy05050 ( talk) 08:19, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Ian. Good read. Dougy05050 ( talk) 15:00, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Clapton played a black Fender Jazzmaster with the Yardbirds in 1964. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.125.29 ( talk) 19:50, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
This article seems shockingly deficient in information regarding personal life -- one paragraph at the beginning about life before age 13, and one paragraph at the end discussing what football team he supports(!). I came to this from the article on Tears in Heaven, which DOES contain some germane personal information, to get additional background, but found nothing. Could someone knowledgable on the subject provide some help with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.199.65 ( talk) 08:18, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
His son, Conner, died after falling 53 stories to his death. This is incredibly important and the basis to which he wrote "Tears in Heaven" and there is nothing about it on here?! This is even talked about in a couple episodes of "Rescue Me". So not only should someone, who is better at editing than myself, add in a Personal Section, but a Media section might also be helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.30.125 ( talk) 13:31, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
The 1990's section under 'career' isn't the most logical place for something so fundamentally personal. A 'personal life' section would be far more appropriate, although certainly the incident should be referenced under Career:1990's as the influence for Tears in Heaven. Responding 'Have you read the career section?'as though it should be obvious, to someone looking for a personal story on a site where the majority of celebrity articles have a 'personal life' section, is like responding 'Have you looked in the oven?' to someone who's asked where the milk is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.102.75 ( talk) 07:50, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Attention required for section noted in above title, did he really say those things? Highly racially discriminate comments alleged to have been uttered by Clapton in the 70's, please address. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mickeyray85 ( talk • contribs) 14:06, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Clapton has mentioned that he is not racist. But he maintains that Enoch Powell's 'river of blood' speech was courageous. These two facts seem incompatible to me. 2.27.68.115 ( talk) 23:43, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
A separate 'Personal life' section might help make the article easier to use. As it is, aspects of Clapton's personal life are scattered within the chronology of his career, which is detailed and extensive (as it should be for someone of this stature). His relationships, drugs/alcohol battle, the death of his son, religious conversion, etc. It would make things clearer if this info could be separate, but retained in the career history where it is relevant (such as the death of his son leading to Tears in Heaven).
As it is if you want to read about his personal life (say you want to know about his son's death but don't know when that happened), you must trawl through the lengthy career section and pick bits out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.102.75 ( talk) 07:43, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Should psychedelic rock really be listed in Eric Clapton's genre/styles list? Cream was obviously one of the best and most prominent psychedelic bands of the time, but there's nothing in the rest of Clapton's career, which was much longer than Cream's existence, that comes close to that style. I guess what I'm asking is this: should the genres/styles of an artist who played in a band and had a prominent solo career include the important ones that he played in his entire career or just the solo career? Clapton could be an exception because he helped form our definition of a particular style (psychedelia), but it seems like a debatable point for other, less "revolutionary" artists who played a certain style for a decent amount of time, though the rest of their career had nothing to do with that genre. Krobertj ( talk) 14:30, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry if I missed something, but I don't see this, for me, important album of Eric, of 1979. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_One_Night_%28Eric_Clapton_album%29
Why is not mentioned?
Regards,
Emiliano.
It is very easy to document that Clapton re-united with Whitlock and played on this show several years earlier than the 2003 stated. April 25th was actual date with airing on 29th here is just one.
I believe just changing the date will ruin the timeline flow so some editing in the placement of this date would have to be done.
Torero80 ( talk) 16:09, 4 November 2012 (UTC)torero80
I think the date of mr. clapton's birth needs to be changed. The main article says his birth year is 1946, on the side it says 1929. which would make him 83.. which is incorrect.. sorry.. I was shocked to see his age at 83.. ooops.. :)Wonder if it could be changed? I am sure he would not want to be born in 1929.... :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.226.60 ( talk) 02:44, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Second paragraph says:
"In his one-year stay with Mayall, Clapton gained the nickname "Slowhand".
I guess this is not true. In the presentation of "Five Live Yarbirds" they introduce Clapton as Eric "Slowhand" Clapton, and this is before Clapton joined Mayall's Bluesbreakers.
I think that mention should be modified or deleted.
Thank you.
77.27.215.84 ( talk) 10:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually, note 18 confirms that the nickname comes from Yardbirds' time.
77.27.215.84 ( talk) 10:06, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
I dont know if its relevant but should we probably mention somewherer that his painting of german artist Gerhard Richter sold for 34,2 million $ ? and I think claprton sold about 60 -70 million records i once saw in an article? Would you be interested in editing the article I could check up some sources. So please let meknow then ! Willy993 ( talk) 19:47, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone knows in which book have been published the picture "Clapton is God, Arvon Road n°5", Thank you ~ ~ ~ ~
The page needs improvement and restructuring. At least, there needs to be a Personal Life section. I will add that. Editors can move content from other sections and add content to that section. Codwiki ( talk) 14:43, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Alicia Witt posted on Facebook that she has never dated, nor even met, Eric Clapton. https://www.facebook.com/officialaliciawitt/posts/479433842104199 Tamilovesnoles ( talk) 13:12, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
I removed the paragraph listing the various girlfriends that Clapton has been known for. The paragraph was added by some IP user in San Diego, California, on 9 May 2011 with this edit which was 'supported' by a fake reference to the Boston Beacon article "Eric Clapton Talks". A few minutes later the IP editor changed the reference to the Boston Globe, but it was no closer to being real, since the Boston Globe never printed any article by this name, and did not write about Clapton at all on that date.
If somebody wants to put together another list of Clapton's dalliances, it had better be accompanied by iron references. All the biographies say he has been a womanizer, so let's not whitewash the article. Binksternet ( talk) 05:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Shifting ip 62.98.*.* has removed the entry Rush from the Solo studio albums section with the summary stating that it be a soundtrack album: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. I see no reason why a soundtrack album would not be a studio album, and there seems to be a consensus that it indeed belongs in this list, as the removal was reverted by users Ckruschke, JPGR69, Spike Wilbury and myself. So I have added it again with a little footnote. I hope this will satisfy everyone. If not, please discuss here. - DVdm ( talk) 08:28, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Year | Album | Ref. | Song (Performed and/or written) | Ref. |
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1985 | Back to the Future: Music from the Motion Picture Soundtrack | [1] | "Heaven Is One Step Away" | [1] |
Edge of Darkness | [2] | "Edge of Darkness" | [3] | |
1986 | The Color of Money | "It's In The Way That You Use It" | ||
1987 | Lethal Weapon | [4] | not credited | |
1988 | Homeboy | [5] | not credited | |
1989 | Lethal Weapon 2 | [6] | not credited | |
1991 | Rush | [7] | " Tears in Heaven", "Help Me Up", "Don't Know Which Way To Go" | [8] |
1992 | Lethal Weapon 3 | [9] | " It's Probably Me" with Sting, "Runaway Train" with Elton John | [10] |
1992 | Wayne's World | "Loving Your Lovin'" | ||
1996 | Phenomenon: Music From The Motion Picture | [11] | " Change the World" | [11] |
1998 | Lethal Weapon 4 | [12] | " Pilgrim" | [13] |
1999 | The Story of Us | [14] | "I Get Lost", " Wonderful Tonight" | [15] |
Hello all. Now, although I've been on Wikipedia for many years now, I've not had any involvement in this page; and nor, for that matter, do I have any real interest in the music of Eric Clapton. However, I thought it unusual that there was no mention of Clapton's very controversial right-wing, anti-immigration political views in the lede, which have led to repeated accusations of racism being made against him over the years. I mean, by no means am I saying that the lede should actually begin with "Clapton is an English musician, singer and songwriter, and anti-immigration activist", but nevertheless, I think a brief mention is worthy of inclusion in the lede paragraphs; perhaps at the end of the third paragraph. This is particularly true as the Wikipedia Manual of Style asserts that ledes should be "a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies." Best, Midnightblueowl ( talk) 13:42, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
If Eric would've said: "we should close the borders permanently" then there would not be a controversy. His remarks that deal with actual immigration were not the problem, the fact that he said a lot of racist stuff is the problem. A fan has reverted me so I figured I should point this out. The controversy is not about his ideas about immigration policy, the controversy is about alleged racism. Wikipedia is not censored. Many racists claim to be concerned about immigration, but that is a completely separate subject. Lysergic Casserole ( talk) 20:06, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to make change in this page, but it's quite a big change, so I thought I'd discuss it here first. I think it would be better to create a Heading called "Career", and move several of the current headings as sub-headings of "Career". See a page like Bruce Springsteen for a similar arrangement. So, the final heading structure would be (only 3 levels shown):
Intro 1 Career 1.1 Early life 1.2 Early career, breakthrough, and international success 1.3 "Layla" and solo career 1.4 Continued success 1.5 Resurgence and stardom 1.6 Collaboration albums 1.7 Clapton, Old Sock and recent events 2 Influences 3 Legacy 4 Guitars 5 Woman tone 6 Other media appearances 7 Personal life 8 Awards and honours 9 Football 10 Clapton's music in film and TV 11 Discography 12 References 13 Further reading 14 External links
Of course, this could also be improved later: a) including year ranges in the subsections, like on the Springsteen page; and b) further grouping the other topics (under "Style", etc.), but that's a different edit.
So, what does everybody think about the creation of the "Career" heading as proposed? Thanks in advance for your input. Callmepgr ( talk) 11:57, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I totally agree. Following format of Springsteen's page also makes sense. ReginaldTQ ( talk) 22:09, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Clapton created the so-called "woman tone" with both a Gibson Les Paul and an SG. He used Les Pauls during his early career with Cream:
Clapton's 'Beano' Gibson Les Paul Standard was stolen during Cream's early rehearsals. To record the group's first album, Fresh Cream, he borrowed another sunburst Les Paul ... He borrowed a third late-'50s sunburst Les Paul from Andy Summers ... Eventually, he purchased the guitar from Summers; some reports say that this guitar was also stolen in 1967. In 1968, Clapton was photographed playing yet another sunburst Les Paul at Cream concerts.[Guitar Tone by Mitch Gallagher]
Several photos of Cream from 1966 show him playing a Les Paul.[Slowhand by Marc Roberty]
Later, in early 1967, the Fool, which was later identified as a 1964 Gibson SG, came into Clapton's possession.[Gallagher] [Clapton's Fool by J. Craig Oxman]. He first played it in concert March 25, 1967, in New York City.[Oxman]
Clapton’s Fool was his principal guitar for most of the work that followed Fresh Cream. The ensuing albums, including Cream’s Disraeli Gears, the world’s-first platinum double album, Wheels of Fire, and Goodbye, are infused with the sounds of The Fool ... He used The Fool regularly, though less exclusively, until the end of Cream in November ’68.[Oxman]
"In an interview in the August ’67 issue of Beat Instrumental, Clapton described his style and tone, saying "I am playing more smoothly now. I’m developing what I call my 'woman tone.' It’s a sweet sound, something like the solo on 'I Feel Free'."[Oxman] Gallagher also cites "I Feel Free" as a "great example" of the woman tone and writes "Clapton began developing and refining this sound initially on his Les Paul, but it did not reach full flower until he switched to The Fool." Gallagher identifies "The opening riff and solo of “Sunshine of Your Love” are arguably the best illustrations of full-blown woman tone" and Oxman uses the song as another great example.
Propose to reword the Woman tone section to reflect the above. — Ojorojo ( talk) 17:00, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
I've trimmed down a couple of sections in the infobox. The instructions on Template:Infobox musical artist say that genres should be kept general. The associated acts field was an uninformative data dump, so I trimmed it down to something a bit more representative. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 11:01, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Reverted some changes this morning. Main point is that Clapton is not a "singer-songwriter". A singer-songwriter is someone who performs exclusively or almost exclusively their own material. Clapton's repertoire contains as many songs written by others as by himself - he's done whole albums and tours of classic blues material, for example - and some of his biggest hits - Cocaine, I Shot the Sheriff - were written by other people.
Other changes reverted: restored blues and rock genres in lead (these are basic facts that need to be presented up front); removed "blues rock" from infobox as redundant; removed John Mayer from "associated acts" as his only association is playing at the Crossroads concert; restore The Dirty Mac as he was an actual member of this notable if short-lived act; restored the "British rhythm and blues boom musicians" category, as the "English rhythm and blues boom musicians" category is a soft redirect. I've also reverted the make and model of the individual guitars in the infobox as I think this is probably excessive and can be found out by following the links, but would be prepared to put these back in if there's agreement. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 10:02, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
This section is problematic for a few reasons. It's written ungrammatically in places, there are a few sentences that come word for word from the Real Life Stories site cited, and the reliability of that site is uncertain. It implies that Delaney and Bonnie were Christians and influenced Clapton to become a Christian, and he wrote "Presence of the Lord" for Blind Faith as a "thank you" to God and his Christian friends for helping him get off drugs. This is chronologically backwards, as he didn't join Delaney and Bonnie until after he left Blind Faith, and didn't get off drugs until after his next band, Derek and the Dominos, broke up. Clapton, as far as I can tell, believes in a god of some sort - he's said as much - but he's more reticient about the specifics of his religious beliefs, which don't seem to be unambigiously Christian. This is a BLP, so it needs to be accurate and well-sourced. The bits sourced to his autobiography seem solid enough, but the Real Life Stories stuff isn't. I'll remove that bit and see if we can come up with anything better. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 11:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
The source not want to tell that ""It implies that Delaney and Bonnie were Christians and influenced Clapton to become a Christian, and he wrote "Presence of the Lord" for Blind Faith as a "thank you" to God and his Christian friends for helping him get off drugs."" i fact even don't mention that Clapton want to leave the drugs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josue10rfu15 ( talk • contribs) 08:17, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Why, in the text "his Marshbrook holding company", is Marshbrook linked to the Shropshire village? It (the village) has no Claptonian connection, has it? 109.149.212.87 ( talk) 18:09, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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I've removed this section again, because it's very tendentious. The bit about two Christians coming to his dressing room during the blind faith tour, and him seeing a "blinding light" is cited to his autobiography, and isn't there. The bit about declaring himself "a born-again Christian" and faith tinged with superstition is cited to an article on Christianity Today, a subscription-only website, so I can't confirm it. There is no reference to being a Christian, model of faith or otherwise, in the autobiography - there is in the truncated preview in the Christianity Today article, but that appears to be an editorial comment, not a claim of faith by Clapton at all.
The long quote about praying during and after his alcoholism treatment is in the autobiography, but not cited to the right page. But in the context of the tendentious stuff that precedes it, it looks like specifically Christian prayer, and that's not clear from the book. He also talks about writing the song "Holy Mother" as a plea to a "divine source, a female that I couldn't even begin to identify" (p. 237).
It's clear that Clapton has religious beliefs, but he's very cagey about what, specifically, they are. As this article is a BLP, we need to be careful. The section needs rewritten and properly sourced before it can go back in. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 06:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Transcript of a 2007 interview with Larry King on CNN:
Relevant exerpt:
This certainly isn't born-again Christianity. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 07:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)