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The main page has bias in the form of the Statemnt not a lot of femal characters are promentaly feactured. It makes the series seem chavenstic... I may place a new Warning this apage is under sddebat type of warning mkay.
I removed said statement, the reasong being that the statement can easily be inferred of one's own volition, and as such can only serve to mislead the reader into believing that there is an ulterior motive to Paolini's characters, most likely that of a misogynistic nature. If you really think it bears stating, tell me why and I wont mind putting it back in. Tarranon 01:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I think that the spioler info on the Eragon page should only refer to spoilers from the book eragon, and not eldest (or empire? when that comes out). I am going to edit some down, including Murtagh's entry on this page. What do you guys think? JohnRussell 14:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I second the vote against Eldest spoilers. I didn't expect spoilers from the second book, since Eldest has its own article. Iagomonk 11:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
how is Morzan "The first and the last Forsworn" when under Galbatrox it says there are 13. 131.247.44.177 16:18, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
A: First to stand, and last to fall. 66.213.245.98 23:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Exactly!
Leave the character section out. There's already a category for them. - UtherSRG 22:29, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
-- Shreshth91 ($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 3 July 2005 10:52 (UTC)
"Yet another criticism such as this from USAToday, "The novel also owes a debt to Luke Skywalker as the teen hero trains to be a Dragon Rider while avenging his uncle's murder [10]," is that the plot closely resembles that of the original Star Wars saga[11]. Characters are also similar, down to Brom who is supposedly the last of his order." This is not true, Brom is not related to Eragon and is not the last of the Dragon Riders, as Oromis and Glaedr are still alive -jacobzcoool - 19 June 2006
Obi-Wan was not related to Luke either.
That is only revealed in the second book. Further, Oromis was hidden from everyone, so, for all intents and purposes, Brom was the last of his order.
-* Brom was the only one revealed, and, in the original Star Wars trilogy, Yoda also existed, but was not revealed. -- scienceman 11:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Galbatorix was a dragon rider. Like Darth Varder in Starwars but Galbatorix isn't Eragons dad.... It is similar but Galbatorix is the top of the line but Darth Vader isn't. Fra 011 011 08:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
No, Morzan was the father, and Morzan was Darth Vader. Galbatorix is Palpatine. And like Linus said, when Luke went to train, he met what was actually a hidden jedi: Yoda. And Eragon went to train in an isolated area away from the Empire where he met what was actually a hidden dragonrider: Oromis. It's not inaccurate. - Krim
Yeah because you clearly have a neutral view on Paolini's work, and noone said his work isn't derivative, but that has nothing to do with inaccuracies ^^^
The lack of originality means that the plot is very similar to other books, and the book is cliche, not the fact that there are different character names. And many books have maps, cities, 50+ characters, magic, and fragments of a new language (which is what Eragon had)
The first section of the article is advertising -- 213.35.232.160 18:43, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
I don't know about this sentence..."It is thought that the author, Christopher Paolini, got the name from the Viking King Erragon, (sic) since many themes in the book are derived from Norse language." In interviews I've heard Paolini say that Eragon is simply the word dragon with one letter change. Is this viking king being the source of Eragon's name just fan speculation? CalebS 04:53, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Paolini has mentioned that Eragon has the one-letter change, but not that it was how the name was created. So yes, it is speculation, but has the smae validity of the other possibilites that Paolini has mentioned, such as "Era Gone By". -Bosco
I've created an inheritence trilogy stub.
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So from now instead of putting {{lit-stub}}, you can type {{inheritance-stub}}. Feel free to make any improvements.--May the Force be with you!
Shreshth91
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I'm not sure the pronunciation information belongs in this article. It seems like something one could look up in the index of the book if one was having trouble with it. Otherwise it isn't relevant to the general reader of wikipedia. I've taken it out a few times but it always ends up back in. Can you explain why you feel this section is important and relevant. Thanks! Cmouse 21:53, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, I for one have wondered how "Eragon" is pronounced. Because I wonder if it sounds as close to "Aragorn" as it appears. So I would appreciate pronunciation info. Isn't more info better than less? gar in Oakland 06:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure about the new version as opposed to the old one although it has a citation. It's a lot shorter and doesn't cover everything. I'm not going to do anything yet because I want to hear want everybody else thinks. This is the original text:
It also says that the Durza permanently scars Eragon; which we now know is untrue
-I think that it is true, since he was permanently scarred, except it was removed by magic. I don't think it's wrong, especially since he WAS permanently scarred till Eldest. Eragon doesn't include that part.
Put the old one back in. It looks like some Random House employee wandered in and decided to make it all pro-Eragon. -Bosco
HEY! Don't assume people are Random House employees, communists, or anti-homeschoolers. If lots of people tweak things in order to make it pro eragon, well, thats a democracy of sorts for you.
-- Where's the "rebuttal" there? There's two sentences attributed to Paolini after three paragraphs. Since numerous examples are given of alleged plagiarism of Tolkien, shouldn't someone go find examples of what Paolini is talking about(that is, examples from Star Wars mirroring Buck Rogers and Dune, or the actual Norse myth he claims Tolkien mirrored), or at least discredit that?
-An actual quote of him saying that would be nice too. -Bosco
shesh you guys are like that guy in Wierd Al's song "I'll sue ya you never told me not to use your micro wave to dry off my cat". use your brain you will like it it trust me —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.167.31 ( talk • contribs).
Eldor, Eldar and this kind of words is for sure copied from Tolkien's Lord of The Rings. ExpertPro 21:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Can we come up with another word? Personally, I don't think "taboo" is a good fit here but "plagiarism" may be a little strong, given that Tolkien was not the first or last writer to use elves and dwarfs. -- DS1953 talk 22:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
That's what "debatable" and "honorific" as an alternative are there for. It's no secret that Paolini has been accused of plagiarism, particularly by Tolkien proponents who find his work to be overly-referential and juvenile. We're not accusing Paolini of it. We're documenting an actual debate that exists, perhaps unfairly, given how endlessly imitated Tolkien is. We might look for a way to include that, without coming off as biased. But I think "...has been much debate over whether incorporating Elves and Dwarves similar to Tolkien's is plagiristic or honorific is perfectly neutral." -- Antrophica 02:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to see actual references of such a debate. Given that books which use Tolkien's elfs and dwarfs are a dime a dozen I think that "plagiarism" isn't at all the right word. It's not like Paolini copied something that hasn't been copied countless times before. We really need to keep theories and petty debates out of Wikipedia and we need to make our language as neutral as possible. Thanks! Cmouse 22:03, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
But we wouldn't be saying Paolini plagiarizes. We'd saying the debate exists, according to a good number of negative reviews on Amazon.com, for example. Personally, I think he emulates. But if it's a lighter word we need, what about 'derivative'? "...is derivative or honorific, or both." -- Antrophica 05:36, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
There are heated debates of that nature on the IMDB movie forum for Eragon. You might also want to provide a link to swankiVY's essay on thet subject ( http://members.aol.com/swankivy/eragon.html).
This is interesting. I didn't know of any organized Eragon hatred. But at the moment I'm too tired and lazy to review all of the material, so feel free to incorporate it into the article on your own as long as you can present it in an unbiased manner. -- Antrophica 18:52, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
The Eragon Hatelisting. -- Antrophica 06:41, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Now that the Eragon film has its own article, do we need all this information on the book's page? How about a simple "See Eragon (film)"?
Also, the movie poster on this article and the one on the movie page are different. One should probably be removed. Which one? (note that the grey-ish one on this page is not actually a poster, but a promotional flyer issued along with other materials - like a map of Alagaesia - by the studio)
Tredanse 11:03, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
How do we reference to the fact pointed out that Paolini's dwarf speech is similar to Khuzdul? We can't create an article explaining the semetic sounds of Khuzdul and how the dwarf speech appears to be a copy of this can we? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.182.88 ( talk • contribs) 22 March 2006
Eragon has some very obvious similarities to Star Wars, but that's not mentioned anywhere in the article. Do you think it should be? Bookworm66 21:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I disagre that it is a copy of star wars. Many stories have characters go on large quests and are led by a wise old man. So by using this as the main similarity is not a just topic.-- Aaronpark 00:26, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I was reading the section about similarities to Star Wars, and think some of the relationships are a bit strained. For example, the article purports that the plot of Eldest could be summarized as "the farmboy leaves to train with a wise old hermit." Since when can the race of elves be described as an old hermit? I definently agree that there are many similarities, I think the article takes them too far. 67.171.242.75 06:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
The Anti-Shurtugal is a good source. Perhaps if you were to leave in supposed similiarities, such as proposed by the Anti-Shurtugal article. Of course it's not an infallible source, though, so some reserch is required. You'll find that the similarities are much, much more than a kid going on a quest. And it doesn't matter if Star Wars takes some of its ideas from other sources, because it did bring some new things to the table. Paolini failed to do so. Here's a brief summary: A farm boy with a mysterious past comes upon a mysterious object sent by a princess that is in distress. The farm boy's house is burned by the evil tyrant's soldiers when the farm boy is absent. The farm boy goes on a quest for revenge, and a mysterious old hermit comes out and joins the quest. Later it is revealed that this hermit is the last of his order, peacekeepers of a once-grand stretch of space. That's the beginning. Which story is this? - Krim
The wise old hermit in Eldest is Oromis. Oromis has a similar role to Yoda... wise old guy who trains the young dimwitter hero further in the ways of the Force - I mean, ah, Ancient Language, after Obi- er, Brom dies a tragic death. One of the hermit's first lessons is hanging Eragon Skywalker upside - I mean, umm, paralyzing him to teach him the subtlties of the Force. More in a moment... 169.229.121.94 03:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
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If you watched the review show, X-Play's review of the game, it goes into extensive detail on how it ripped off star wars. For more info, go to www.g4tv.com than serch eragon.-- Uber Cuber
I haven't read the book but I have been doing some research on the book to give myself a better idea what is going on. There is a similarity I would like to make. The Varden is similiar to The Fellowship. Both groups have a mixture of Elves, Dwarves and Humans... or at least Brom because he was the one who founded the group. The only non-similarity is that one of the Elves was in control of the Fellowship and a Human was in charge of The Varden. I'm not criticising... I'm just stating one of the similarities to the book. I have no reason to criticise the book.