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there has been no discussion here for a couple months, so I archived the previous talk page. Now we have a clean slate to discuss on! Spinach Dip 19:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
A simple question (if there's anyone out there who is interested).
I think this is the best candidate for FA in the whole Inheritance Cycle series, after some major work, of course.
This is what I'm thinking:
Sections and things to be added:
Thoughts/opinions?
Spinach Dip 08:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
These have some useful information in them which should definitely be incorporated into the article:
Una Laguna Talk 19:32, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I got to it a little later than I intended, but I have finished 2/6ths of the major sections listed above. I will get to the others when I can. Any input, help with prose, or other related stuff would be greatly appreciated.
Spinach Dip 09:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone think it was a bit stupid critisising Eragon for being like Lord of the Rings in having the elven and Dwarven races with different languages, considering there are hundreds of fantasy's that are exactly the same? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.247.122 ( talk) 04:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it's not a critic for the fact that Eragon was like lord of the rings because Tolkien's lord of the rings was inspired by the novel:The ring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xpxp4 ( talk • contribs) 08:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
o_0 The Ring was written several decades after The Lord of the Rings. -- 13 2 20:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
The only thing involving a 'ring' I know Tolkien was, for a fact, familiar with, was Wagner's Nibleung operas and the legends that inspired them. And, as a matter of opinion, I think the criticsim is fair. Paloni (or however his name is spelled) made all of his languages have a similar feel to Tolkiens, drawing from the same sources and such. I.E. Dwarvish is rough with runes, elvish is flowing and beuatiful... and it isn't just Paloni. Just about all fantasy fiction is guilty of it. —Preceding
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How about Star Wars? http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1866494 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.164.8 ( talk) 13:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
dude, think about it.stuff in () means part of star wars. A normal boy becomes a dragon rider, (Jedi) gets taught by an old hermit, Brom (Obi-wan) goes to the varden (Rebel alliance) to help fight the king, Galbatorix (Emporer) because he is the only dragon rider left (only jedi left). they win the first battle, then Eragon (Luke) goes to that swamp place (Ellesmera) to be trained in the ways of magic (the force) and when he learns that the varden (Han, Leia etc.) are in trouble, he goes to help them. Eragon (Luke) ends up fighting Galbatorix's (The Emporer's) best fighter, Murtagh (Darth Vadar). Eragon (Luke) loses the battle as well as his sword (lightsaber).
Knapper1176 ( talk) 20:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC) (will add more when i read third book)
Does anyone think the Criticism section a bit biased? The one negative review is derided, and there is not an equal ratio of negative-positive reviews. I, for one, detested the book and its sequels, but that is just me.
Presentiment ( talk) 23:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)Presentiment
Is this some kind of joke? There is no requirement for "a reliable source". Tolkien's page has absolutely no citations whatsoever for "He was a close friend of C. S. Lewis—they were both members of the informal literary discussion group known as the Inklings.He was a close friend of C. S. Lewis—they were both members of the informal literary discussion group known as the Inklings.". I dont see a single one of you deleting that off the page and screaming "No reliable source!". You simply accepted it as fact. You don't demand reliable source for some things but demand reliable source for this article? Please, that's blatant favouritism and violates wikipedia policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.186.249 ( talk) 12:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
The plot summary appears to have been radically changed, from this to this. The new version is slightly longer (835 words instead of 815). There are a few issues with punctuation and the like which could be easily corrected. In terms of summarising the plots they're both pretty good, though this new one contains a few unnecessary details. However, instead of consisting of 7 good-lengthed paragraphs, it instead consists of nineteen, most consisting of just one or two sentences. This gives two problems: the plot summary now needlessly takes up much more space, and if we made this a GA candidate, the GA reviewer will note the short paragraphs. One or two one/two-sentence paragraphs is acceptable, but the number we have here makes it quite choppy and much less smooth to read. In its current state, it might even result in a GA fail.
Resolving these issues would give us a plot summary very similar to the one we previously had. Therefore I think we should reinstate the old plot summary. Any objections? Una Laguna Talk 09:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
A link to a source was broken, I retrieved the page with Internet Archive. But also this link to Barnes and Noble has problems: now it talks about the second book, Eldest, not Eragon! Internet Archive gives various result, but which one shall we pick? -- KingFanel ( talk) 13:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone noted the similarities and differences between Eragon and Anne McCaffrey's Dragonriders of Pern stories? 69.42.7.212 ( talk) 01:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
The plot summary mentions Eragon's use of Za'roc--presumably a sword or dagger--but the word occurs only once, with no explanation of its nature or significance. (Not everyone has read the book.) drone5 ( talk) 02:35, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if this is in any way relevant, but there is a fairly blatant typo on page 311 (paperback version, not largeprint). The sentence goes: "...-that fact was oft repeated-..." when it should have been 'Often' instead. It could just be a little comment about the editing or something similar. -- Stripy Socks ( talk) 15:42, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to help take this article up to FA, but my idea involves quite a lot of reorganization and expansion so I would like to first get a consensus. I would split background into two sections, Concept and development and inspirations and influences. Then a genre and themes section along with a style section would be needed. Finally, a publication history section will be added. Ideas?
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Eragon - Aragorn, Farthen Dûr- Barad-dûr (note exotic circumflex), Khudzul-Nazgul... I can't be the only one to notice how Paolini has gutted Tolkien's works. The difference is that Tolkien was a notable Oxford linguist, expert in Norse and Anglo-Saxon (and not bad with Finnish either), whereas Paolini seems to be writing fanfic. I doubt Paolini speaks any of the aforementioned dead languages, let alone Finnish, but if someone wants to correct me, do! -- MacRusgail ( talk) 16:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
OK, here's a "reliable source" that mentions the similarity in names: http://contemporarylit.about.com/cs/currentreviews/fr/eragon.htm . It's "reliable" enough to have already been quoted (selectively) to give the impression that it reviews the book in positive terms. Reading the actual review, its conclusions are rather more mixed ("Paolini’s writing is still somewhat immature", "Paolini borrows a bit obviously from the authors that inspire him", "Paolini shines at creating interesting characters without a great deal of depth"). It also lists names from the book that are very similar to those in other works. 86.7.31.97 ( talk) 13:20, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
The Film Adaptation section mentions that the Eragon film is the thirteenth-highest-grossing movie in the live-action fantasy genre, highest-grossing movie with a dragon at its focal point, and the second-highest movie in the sword-and-sorcery subgenre. It cites three charts on Box Office Mojo, last retrieved in 2007. The site is continuously updated, and Eragon has since been superseded by other movies, dropping it to 25th on the fantasy list, 2nd on the dragon list, and 3rd on the sword-and-sorcery list. I'll make the necessary changes for the latter two, but it's mentioned in the Article that Eragon's position on the Fantasy list is lower (21st instead of 13th) when adjusting for inflation. I couldn't find that information on the site, so I'm going to leave that sentence alone so someone with better knowledge of inflation than I can properly edit it.
Additionally, should something be added to those particular sentences once they are updated to clarify the fact that they are subject to change and may possibly be outdated/inaccurate by the time a reader sees them? "As of March 2012," or something like that? - Rycr ( talk) 02:44, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
From the Genre section: "The book has been compared to other books of the fantasy genre such as Star Wars and Lord of the Rings." Star Wars is not a book, and arguably it's not fantasy. 98.245.172.221 ( talk) 05:34, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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Really enjoyed the article as well as the topic! Are all of the sources listed in the article completely reliable? And also the Film Adaptation part of the article has some strong points, but do you think the paragraph relies to heavily on quotations from reviewers? Happy editing! V00d00Child ( talk) 04:40, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Types of mythological or fantastic beings in contemporary fiction is a page of, well, fantasy series (movie, TV, written, whatever) and the assorted mythological and/or fantastic critters they contain. This series would qualify. Anyone care to add it? Tamtrible ( talk) 00:56, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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This article states that Paolini's parents "self published" Eragon. I can't find any reliable sources on the matter but my understanding is that they had founded a publisher called Paolini International LLC sometime around 1997 and decided to use it to publish there son's work. As such I think the term 'self-published' is a little misleading. ~ El D. ( talk to me) 18:31, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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