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But not impossible - various publications use this constantly - the Straight, the Sun, various histories; the city may not officially designate it, but it's definitely a real place; needed to be established as a separate article from English Bay (Vancouver) which confuses the use of "English Bay" between the actual bay, the beach, and this neighbourhood, which are really three different things.... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC) reply