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It seems obvious but apparently needs stating: dam failures are not energy accidents unless the accident was caused by the hydroelectric part of the dam or the dam was specifically build to generate electricity.
Dams with hydroelectric power stations are almost always built for some non-energy related purpose. In the case of the Chinese dam that failed electricity production was a nice side benefit, not the reason for the dam being built. That being the case the failure is clearly not an energy accident, it was a dam failure and the attached hydroelectric plan was destroyed along with it. To put it another way if your car crashed because the wheels fell off you wouldn't say it was a failure of the radio. The radio is a nice addition to the primary function of the car - to transport you. It would be fairly bizarre if the newspapers lead with "AM/FM radio injures car passengers", along side a photo of the car missing a couple of wheels. Mojo-chan ( talk) 21:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Look them up, energy fatalities.
I admit I've just run across the term "energy accident", but it it seems strange to call pollution (including London smog) and black lung "accidents". Are there reliable sources that call them energy accidents?-- Wikimedes ( talk) 07:42, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
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This is a homegrown analysis from blogger Brian Wang. To the best of my knowledge this analysis has not been published anywhere.
Forbes is not the original source; the author clearly attributes Brian Wangs blog. Even if Forbes was the original source, the list would still be original research.
It would be ok to reference this list, but it would need some serious commenting work first.
The list is rhetorics made to look like statistics in order to give it an aura of being scientific.
Putting original research in a blog entry does not transform it into non-original research.
gnirre ( talk) 10:21, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I can't even cope with this article. It's the flip side of the assisted suicide debate, in which heroic measures "save" the afflicted to endure miserable, debilitating conditions, long after any pretense of life-quality silver lining has departed the building (yet the extreme care and pharmaceutical billings go on and on.)
The article is not even coming clean on foundational double-counting concerns.
If a heavy smoker lives near a coal plant, does his or her premature death count 100% under the column of "coal induced" (as well as 100% under the column of "smoking induced"?) This is not an incorrect approach: it's the marginal approach, where each margin is assessed separately (the sum of all margins often greatly exceeds the total number of deaths). If the question you are asking is what you can achieve on the margin by influencing any single variable, all else held constant, this is the right accounting approach. But it lends itself to horrifically inflated statistics if misunderstood or actively misrepresented.
The other approach is to normalize so the sum of all causes equates to the sum of all (premature) mortality. How then to partition smoking and coal? 90-10, 80-20, 50-50? Extremely subjective.
And then you still have the person with advanced dementia and mediocre organ function who dies at age 88, putatively of lung failure. Is this normalized, either? Usually not.
What you usually end up with, then, is a collection of eyebrow-raising statistics that are a complete crock, as compared to how they would be understood in proper context.
Hey, I have a great idea for a new NPR radio show: All Things Conflated. — MaxEnt 19:53, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
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That there were that many accidents in a single year? Or that that was a year in which the data was collected?
Also were 90 people really killed by nuclear in 2012? Most people will have difficulty converting to Terrawatt hours. If someone has the original data it would be good to also include the absolute number killed.
The article is, of course, totally POV. "Everybody knows" that nuclear is incredibly dangerous, and producing real statistics is not really fair. It is what I love about Wikipedia, coldly telling the truth. Tuntable ( talk) 03:03, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
The table relied primarily on a polemical piece by pro-nuclear lobbyist James Conca. Deleted WP:RS JQ ( talk) 21:57, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Both the redirect of "Energy fatalities" to "Energy accidents" and the article lede's use of "Energy fatalities" when the article is titled "Energy accidents" indicate confusion about the topic here. Previous discussion on the talk page suggests that people recognize that these are not the same thing. The lede currently says:
Energy resources bring with them great social and economic promise, providing financial growth for communities and energy services for local economies. However, the infrastructure which delivers energy services can break down in an energy accident, sometimes causing considerable damage. Energy fatalities can occur...
One possibility would be to rename this page "Energy fatalities", since that is the broader term, and then clearly identify "Energy accidents" as one type of "Energy fatalities". (If that happens, it also might be appropriate to create a related page such as "List of energy accidents" and move the "Selected energy accidents" there.) Another possibility could be to create two separate pages to clearly distinguish between "Energy fatalities" and "Energy accidents". I would like to get feedback from editors here about these or other ways to improve the page and what might be preferred. MaryMO (AR) ( talk) 16:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)