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Excellent information here, but are there any references or sources we can site? It looks a little sparse right now. --
Asiir23:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)reply
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Strong Oppose This article, like articles on government and military, should be an exception to the convention of using the current common name. This article lists the 1912, 1918, 1921, 1947, and 1948 elections in its history section. These elections were held on mainland China - they were "elections in the Republic of China" but not "elections in Taiwan." In fact the first three had nothing to do with Taiwan, as Taiwan was under Japanese rule at the time, see
Republic of China National Assembly elections, 1912 and
Republic of China National Assembly elections, 1918. The article title "Elections in Taiwan" would not only be unnecessarily limited in scope, but also plainly misleading for those searching about elections prior to the 1990s.--
Jiang (
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19:20, 4 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment "Taiwan" can't be used for pre-1945; indeed, in that era, Taiwan was ruled by Japan. If the small amount of pre-1949 content is disentangled, I would support. —
P.T. Aufrette (
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21:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Split the ROC had elections before 1950 evacuation to Taiwan. The resumption of democracy can be covered under a Taiwan-titled article, and the edit history for this article covers that area. However, the title under ROC should be a separate article, which uses
WP:SUMMARYSTYLE to summarize the resumption of democracy as a section after the 1911-1950 period which would form the meat of that article. --
76.65.131.160 (
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06:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)reply
I don't see why not, since either (1) this is an ROC article, and should not be renamed, since the ROC had elections prior to evacuating to Taiwan, (2) if renamed, it would no longer cover that period, so must be summarized into a greater ROC article. --
70.50.151.36 (
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03:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Support Previous state names shouldn't have a bearing on the title, which should reflect the state's current name by our nomenclature. Note that
Elections in West Germany redirects to
Elections in Germany, with pre-1949 elections address in separate sections. (
Elections in East Germany also redirects to a section there.) If that page includes Nazi-era elections, this one can certainly include periods of Japanese rule. --
BDD (
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16:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Your examples don't apply here. "West Germany" was always considered in "Germany" so the redirect is neither misleading nor inaccurate. Here, elections held in Mainland China in 1912, 1918, 1921, 1947, and 1948 were not "Elections in Taiwan." Even if we recognize that Taiwan is overwhelmingly the current common name of the Republic of China, calling the 1912 election an "election in Taiwan" would be just as egregious as calling
Sun Yat-sen the first "president of Taiwan". There is no content on elections held during the Japanese rule in Taiwan, while the 1947 and 1948 held on the mainland cannot be separated from Taiwanese history. --
Jiang (
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18:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)reply
I don't see any reason why we couldn't have an "Elections in Mainland China" section in this article parallel to the section
Elections in Germany#German elections 1871 to 1945. Most of these elections—and all the present ones—are held in Taiwan for the area described at
Taiwan; previous elections in territories held at the time by the country seem to me that they would fit fine within the scope of an "Elections in Taiwan" article. --
BDD (
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20:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC)reply
This article could certainly use more historical background text, but a historically logical division would be 1912-1921, 1947-1989, and 1991-present to reflect political, rather than geographical changes. Those elected in 1947 and 1948 continued to sit in office in office in Taipei to represent their original mainland constituencies until 1991 - the elections held in Taiwan prior to 1991 were "supplemental". --
Jiang (
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20:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose - per Jiang's comments above. Also, articles that deal exclusively with the actions of the government of Taiwan should use the name of that government.
Readin (
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18:39, 6 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Support. This article is almost all about recent elections, by which time the moniker "Taiwan" was universal. I doubt if you can find any media source in an English-speaking country that reported on the "election in the Republic of China".
Kauffner (
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10:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Wikipedia articles are not static and this article needs improvement. There is not a great deal of content here - aside from templated infoboxes. I don't see why the 1947-48 elections should not be discussed in the same detail as the 2012 elections and it would be plainly idiotic from a topical and historical standpoint to split the content at 1949.--
Jiang (
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04:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC)reply
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Requested move 14 August 2016
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The result of the move request was: Procedural close, discussion ensued on addition of new content outside of the current scope of this article. IAR: Leaving some of the lower newer comments open. (
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Andy W.(talk ·ctb)20:31, 21 August 2016 (UTC)reply
I would find that acceptable. The RoC has governed Taiwan for part of its history, but has also existed during periods when Taiwan was not under its governance. There is a clear potential for a Taiwan article that deals with the full breadth of Taiwanese history, and an RoC article that deals with the full breadth of RoC history.
RGloucester —
☎17:07, 15 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Support per the main article being at
Taiwan and the contents of the article being exclusively about elections held since the island became a de facto separate state.
Number5722:40, 14 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Strong Procedural oppose – a previous RM proposal to this effect just failed. Opening up this one immediately after is pretty much the definition of
WP:GAMING, at best. Opposing on the same basis as I opposed a similar recent move request for the 2016 election page: This issue is bigger than one article, and if people want to change the suite of "Republic of China" articles to "Taiwan", they need to hold a wider RfC on the issue. --
IJBall (
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IJBall (
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12:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC))reply
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Procedural comment: RM deliberately closed at this point so further discussion about new content to be added can continue outside of the RM process. —
Andy W.(talk ·ctb)20:31, 21 August 2016 (UTC)reply
There are few "Republic of China" articles that does not include material on 1912~1949 other than those election articles. For the other election articles a RFC is already in progress.--
Coco977 (
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12:49, 19 August 2016 (UTC)reply
The question is, where did the content you suggested existed on the subject of 1912–49 disappear to, and why did it do so? It should be brought back. As of now, I cannot find it. It is obvious that 1912–49 should be covered in this article. However, it seems that elections from 1912–49 are not presently covered anywhere in the encylopaedia.
RGloucester —
☎14:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Since there is nothing about 1912–49 in the encyclopedia yet and I have already written the draft about Taiwanese elections under Japanese rule, why not move the page to Taiwan and change the scope of the article?--
Coco977 (
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15:58, 19 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Because it seems like that content was removed for the sake of such a change, which is a nonsense. In any case, this is about the RoC, not about Taiwan. If you want to have a Taiwan article, make a Taiwan article. The RoC and 'Taiwan' are not the same thing.
RGloucester —
☎18:07, 19 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Requested move 2 February 2017
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It is quite obvious that the above editors have no figured out what the IP is requesting. When the crazy move of
Elections in the Republic of China to
Elections in Taiwan happened, the editor that moved the article left the old talk page behind, with its edit history. Therefore, as one can see, this page is a new creation that was formerly redirect, whereas the real old talk page for the article is at
Talk:Elections in the Republic of China. All this fellow wants done is a repair job, and I'll be doing that shortly]].
RGloucester —
☎13:35, 3 February 2017 (UTC)reply
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Japanese Taiwan
During the 1895-1945 period, were elections held in Taiwan when it was under Japanese control? If not, could we include it so the Elections in the Republic of China (1912–49) article could be created.
99.242.170.90 (
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17:06, 6 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Yes. Japanese Taiwan held two elections. One
in 1935 and another in 1939. There would have been one more in 1943, but it was canceled due to World War II.