This article is within the scope of WikiProject Architecture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Architecture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ArchitectureWikipedia:WikiProject ArchitectureTemplate:WikiProject ArchitectureArchitecture articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Historic sites, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
historic sites on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Historic sitesWikipedia:WikiProject Historic sitesTemplate:WikiProject Historic sitesHistoric sites articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Museums, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
museums on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.MuseumsWikipedia:WikiProject MuseumsTemplate:WikiProject MuseumsMuseums articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Judaism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Judaism-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JudaismWikipedia:WikiProject JudaismTemplate:WikiProject JudaismJudaism articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject National Register of Historic Places, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of U.S.
historic sites listed on the
National Register of Historic Places on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.National Register of Historic PlacesWikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic PlacesTemplate:WikiProject National Register of Historic PlacesNational Register of Historic Places articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
New York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City articles
A fact from Eldridge Street Synagogue appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 May 2024 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that the architects of the Eldridge Street Synagogue were Catholics who had never designed a synagogue before?
If anyone has a picture of the building, I think one inside and one outside picture would be appropriate, however I can't find any public domain pictures on the net, so if anyone has any pics they've taken that would be very useful.
--
Bachrach4415:16, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Eldridge street isn't exactly among the oldest East European synagoguues built by Ashkenazi Jews. Beth Israel Philadelphia built its Crown Street building in 1849 (philadelphia already had seen buildings erected by German and Sepahardi congregations. San francisco was founded with two 1851 congregations, Emaneul for Germans as Sherityh Israel for Poles. Sherith Israel put a building up in 1854. Baltimore's B'nai Israel on Lloyd Street went up - for East European Jews - in 1876. I'm pretty sure there were other East European buildings. As for surviving buildings, B'nai Israel's building is still there.
OldShul (
talk)
13:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)OldShulreply
There's been some edit warring here over the involvement of an architecture firm, with nobody doing their homework. Here's a reliable source:
Spence, Rebecca (August 3, 2007).
"Synagogues Throw Energy Behind Green Movement". The Forward.: "In New York City, the Eldridge Street Project, dedicated to preserving Jewish life at the historic Lower East Side synagogue built in 1887, has been working on its 20-year restoration project from a green perspective. ... Jill Gotthelf, an architect and associate at Walter Sedovic Architects who has worked on the restoration since 1990, said that synagogues and Jewish organizations have caught on to green building over the past few years ... because it is finally a more affordable proposition. --
John Nagle (
talk)
16:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Further Verification of Walter Sedovic Architect's Involvement
New York Magazine...
Reconstructionist Judaism
Two Jewish cultural centers reinvent themselves for the demographics of a changing city.
By Justin Davidson.
Published Jan 7, 2008
The architects, Walter Sedovic and Jill H. Gotthelf, avoided scrubbing away its patina of experience. They didn’t strip the mottled gloss off the wood and start again; they softened and reflowed the old finish, retaining the magnificent antiquity of the paneling. It’s no more authentic to roll time back to 1907 than it would be to choose a day twenty years before, but Sedovic and Gotthelf’s approach has the great virtue of enshrining a narrative, of intimating what it might have felt like to seek a little grandeur here when the Lower East Side was a wriggling mass of people.
I have just modified one external link on
Eldridge Street Synagogue. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit
this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with
this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
this tool.
I'd like to thank
Epicgenius for recent edits that improve the article. I'm intrigued by the detail map of the section of lower Manhattan that includes the site of the synagogue. Is this map in Serbian? Is there a particular reason to display it in that language? Paulmlieberman (
talk)
17:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Epicgenius, I'm looking into this. The link in the synagogue article is, as far as I can tell (I've removed the opening and closing curly braces so WP doesn't try to process it):
district_map = Maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|frame-align=center|frame-width=300|frame-height=300|zoom=14|type=point|marker=|title=Eldridge Street Synagogue
What is this a link to? I suspect it's a link to a file in wikimedia, but, if so, how do I find it? And, if I can find the corresponding map on OpenStreetMap, edit it, fix it, I don't know how to then replace the current street map in wikimedia, or create a new one, and change the link in the Eldridge Street Synagogue article. Paulmlieberman (
talk)
15:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Paulmlieberman, that is correct; this is the wikicode that allows the map to be displayed. The data is taken from
OpenStreetMap, where (funnily enough), the English names for Manhattan neighborhoods are correctly displayed. This is then processed through
Wikimedia Maps. However, the Wikimedia Maps website also displays Manhattan neighborhood names in English.Somehow, when the map from Wikimedia Maps was transcluded onto this article, the names got translated into Serbian. This is particularly strange, as this issue only occurs when the map is transcluded directly onto articles; the original maps from OSM and Wikimedia Maps don't have this issue. I have no idea why this is happening, because the two original maps both display the English names. I tried a
hard purge of this page to force the map to display the English names, but this seems not to work. For now, I'd suggest that you subscribe to, and comment on, the Phabricator tickets that I linked above. –
Epicgenius (
talk)
17:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
... that worshippers at the Eldridge Street Synagogue once had to visit local schools and stores to find ten men for a service? Source: Polland, Annie; Moyers, Bill (2009). Landmark of the Spirit: The Eldridge Street Synagogue. Yale University Press. p. 134.
ALT3: ... that the architects of the Eldridge Street Synagogue were Catholics who had never designed a synagogue before? Source: Polland & Moyers 2009, p. 22.
Approved: article is long enough, looks to be in great shape and was expanded within the window. Hooks are sourced, interesting and check out: I must admit to finding ALT2 a little opaque (how could they find objects in a locked safe?), but ALT0, ALT1 and ALT3 are all excellent (ALT4 is fine, but a little less enticing than the others). QPQ is done. Nice work. UndercoverClassicistT·
C06:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The article is rather extensive so the review will be slow as I look over. I'm curious to note that for this article, you have the history part before the architecture. Not an issue, just noting.--
ZKang123 (
talk)
08:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Copy changes
Lead
Is it conventional to just write "U.S." in the lead without first mentioning what U.S. stands for (it's obvious, but curious whether actually there's a need to spell out).
In fact, I wonder if it's necessary to put "New York, U.S.", given in some of your other building articles, that's not written in.
I have removed it. This was added by someone else, but it seems slightly unnecessary, I think. Not only is NYC fairly well known, but the lead itself mentions that Eldridge Street was one of the first Eastern European synagogue buildings in the US, so that part is definitely redundant.
Epicgenius (
talk)
14:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Beth Hamedrash, with congregants – I don't think the comma is necessary
creating shadows and pollution – the wording of this clause is a bit odd. I would say causing pollution and something else about "shadows" (not sure what shadows exactly mean in this context. Like, blocking sunlight?)
Kahal Adath Jeshurun first bought numbers 14 and 16 from Holkhe Yosher, paying a total of $23,000. They then bought the lot at 12 Eldridge Street at a cost of $12,850. – I suggest combining these sentences to: Kahal Adath Jeshurun first bought numbers 14 and 16 from Holkhe Yosher for $23,000 before purchasing the lot at 12 Eldrige Street for $12,850. As said previously, also add inflated values
The Herter brothers drew up plans for a synagogue at 12–16 Eldridge Street, between Canal and Division streets, in June 1886. – would move "In June 1886" at the front of the sentence. Actually would drop the year given the beginning of the paragraph stated the year and since no other year is mentioned, I think omitting would be fine.
not directly associated with or connected – "associated with" and "connected" to me are similar in meaning; either remove or well, perhaps say "structurally connected" if you want to keep both, if I get the meaning of the latter.
Jews in New York City, including three of the congregation's first four presidents,[71] were increasingly living elsewhere in the city during the 1900s and 1910s, as public transit made these neighborhoods easier to access. – a rather oddly worded sentence. Does this mean like more of the congregants came from more outer parts of the city?
for about a year after it opened. – maybe for its first year of operations? Or ...since its opening
I meant "for about a year about the synagogue building opened". The congregation was established several decades earlier, and it didn't have a rabbi, either.
Epicgenius (
talk)
21:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)reply
During Minkowsky's tenure at Kahal Adath Jeshurun, both religious and secular journalists lauded his work. – Both religious and secular journalists lauded Minkowsky's work during his tenure at Kahal Adath Jeshurun
The congregation was regularly sending letters to former members, asking them to donate. – ...was regularly sending letters to former members for donations.
According to Amy Milford of the Eldridge Street Project, the organization received little other pushback. – I'm not sure of the relevance of this sentence. Unless you elaborate what sort of pushback. But I think this sentence is a bit redundant.
stars of David – I think it should be Stars of David... Also wikilink
Star of David. Also note for other case and mentions especially in the design section.
Reflecting the decreased demand for religious services at the synagogue, the building was surrounded by Chinese businesses. – The surrounding Chinese businesses reflect the decreased demand for religious services at the synagogue
similarly-named Herter Brothers firm (composed of Christian and Gustave Herter), which designed mansions. – not sure if which designed mansions is necessary.
On the northern and southern walls, there are... – On the northern and southern walls are...
is not known – is unknown
was installed in 2010 and was designed – delete second instance of "was"
made of yellow glass, surrounded by panes of blue glass. – made of yellow glass surrounded by panes of blue.
glued to a sheet of clear glass, using silicone. – remove comma
is made of wood and is carved – is made of carved wood or carved out of wood, whichever the meaning
which decorated to give the appearance of marble. – which were decorated...
After the renovation was completed, the museum has hosted concerts... The Eldridge Street Project has hosted events to attract local residents. – Can these two sentences be combined? Or the organisation and the museum separate?
Jaffe had his bar mitzvah at the synagogue as well – I think the "as well" is unnecessary. Also felt it could be combined in the previous sentences mentioning him.
Portions cited by "Eldridge Street Synagogue (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. July 8, 1980." checks out
Similarly for "Dallas, Gus (September 23, 1984). "'Friends' rally to give face-lift to synagogue". Daily News. pp. 320, 322. Archived from the original on May 11, 2024. Retrieved May 11, 2024."
I shall assume good faith for the offline sources. Most of the book sources cited are from various journals or credible researchers with knowledge in the field of architecture.
Refs 134, 204, 216, 221, 222, 306 check out.
Earwig brings up similarities with the NHL designation document, but generally are due to names like "Eldridge Street Synagogue", "Kahal Adath Jeshurun with Anshe Lubz" and "the Lower East Side".
Not sure if there are ways to rephrase like "Jews from across Eastern Europe" and "the first Eastern European".
"on either side of" could be reworded as "on both sides of"
Compared with
the LPC document , earwig highlighted "who came to New York City in the late 19th and early 20th centuries" (recommend rewording to "who arrived to New York City from the late 1800s to the early 1900s").
"the panes in the rose window contains thin joints that are not visible from afar" – this should be reworded.
"The eastern end of the main level" – "The main level eastern end"
"At the time of the synagogue's construction" – "When the synagogue was constructed.
Others are just common phrases but it's perhaps advised to look over any similar phrases used that can be reworded.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.