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I added some information I've found about British systems, but I know there's a lot more variety out there even just in the English-speaking world. This article needs a lot of work in this regard. / blahedo ( t) 20:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I just reverted some edits that claim that British "Reception" corresponds to North American "1st grade" and "year 11" to "12th grade". This contradicts everything I've been able to find on the subject, including the very concise table linked from the main page, which says that 1st grade is "year 2" and 12th grade "year 13". While it depends to some extent on location and circumstance, most Americans start school at Kindergarten at age 5, turning 6 some time during the school year or the following summer; their 12th grade/grade 12 year sees them turning 18. If it is not the case that these descriptions correspond best to "year 1" and "year 13" respectively, please cite your sources here. / blahedo ( t) 21:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
The system in Scotland is NOT the same as in England / Wales - in Scotland you have Primary School (ages 5 to 12, referred to as "primary 1" to "primary 7") and Secondary (12 to 16/18, referred to as "1st year" to "6th year". Some drop out at age 16, making "4th year" their last year at school).
I know this as someone who has been throught the Scottish education system, but cannot provide citations, so I do not feel it appropriate to edit the article.
StuartCarter 15:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
The system in Scotland is NOT the same as in England / Wales - in Scotland you have Pruimary School (ages 5 to 12, referred to as "primary 1" to "primary 7") and Secondary (12 to 16/18, referred to as "1st year" to "6th year". Some drop out at 16, making "4th year" their last year at school).
I know this as someone who has been throught the Scottish education system, but cannot provide citations, so I do not feel it appropriate to edit the article.
StuartCarter 15:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
added some countries. Made some reference to France, but I don't really know about it. also put alphabetical order so US is now at the bottom. 203.218.86.162 07:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if this goes on in the US or other parts of Canada, but in Ontario kindergarten is divided into JKG (Junior Kindergarten) and SKG (Senior Kindergarten) and people usually start kindergarten at 4. Do you think it should be seperate on the chart?
This article needs a lot of work. Could people provide better explanations of the systems in their own countries, bearing in mind that people in other countries are not familiar with the local terminology. For example, I cannot make any sense of the American/Canadian grade system. There seem to be wide variations in ages within grades. Do different US states have different systems? Do you have to reach a certain level of education before you go up to the next grade or is the system purely based on age? Dahliarose 11:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if it might be best to rename this article "Educational years or stages" rather than grade level. America and Canada seem to be the only countries which use the grade system which rather makes a nonsense of the title. Dahliarose 22:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.Would anyone apart from User:Tafkam mind if I reverted to the table which included old-style names for the UK grades?
Tafkam says "There was (and is) no consistency in the use of old form names" but I think that misses the point. Many people are still familiar with the old names and they persist in the naming of 'sixth form' colleges. They may be inconsistent but many official educational grades are inconsistent (the Scottish system, for example). We shouldn't report what we'd like to see, but what is actually used. I know many parents who are baffled by 'Year 8' but who understand 'Second form'.
Ewen ( talk) 19:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Apologies for my rather direct edit, but as Dahliarose rightly says, the old system is not as simple as people tend to presume. Of course, one knows the system that applied in one's own school, but these were different, not only in three-tier, but in all areas. There is some mention of a lower/upper system at Education_in_England#School_years. Also, the article is about the current systems in place - the age ranges are likely to be much more useful in identifying what each year group represents, rather than trying to link it to an inconsistent system that has been largely phased out for the best part of 20 years since the National Curriculum arrived. Tafkam ( talk) 23:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
While I don't have much to cite unfortunately, I would argue that the preference for the use of ordinal numbers for grades in the US is not as universal as this article describes.
Try looking through the Common Core website, going through assessment sites of state education departments, or even many school website staff listings and it is not uncommon to see "Grade 3", "Grade 4", etc used in more formal contexts .
More importantly though, there is at least one US region I know that even embraces the use of cardinal numbers in everyday speech. I am an ESL public school teacher in Vermont and can tell you that Vermonters use cardinal numbers for grades here probably just as much if not more than ordinal numbers. Similar to the Canadian style, it is quite common to hear people refer to a child being in "grade 3" or "grade 4", for example. I was very surprised to hear this when I moved here from Colorado two years ago as it struck me as very formal sounding but I have now grown accustomed to it and have even caught myself using it on occasion.
The question then is how wide-spread is this, and that I am not sure of. I did some informal research with Google by visiting a bunch of random classroom pages from states on the Canadian border and then in New England to check for the prevalence of using ordinal numbers and found that it was especially prominent in Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. I didn't find much usage of this outside of these three states though I did not do exhaustive research.
If anybody can find any actual research to back this up, I would love to see it. I personally haven't had much luck but I will keep looking.
Lastly, for fun, here's an example of one of the pages from Falmouth, Maine that I found: http://stilesgrade5.weebly.com/. Here's the parent link: http://www.falmouthschools.org/_/index.cfm?sidebar=320¢er=345&rightnav=334. It says "Welcome to Grade 5!" at the top, which is likely striking to the average American outside of this region as it probably sounds odd or overly formal.
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It might be a good idea to standardize the format of the tables. I'd be happy to help, but I don't know what the best format would be. Pvirgiliusmaro ( talk) 21:42, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
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The article has repeats of several countries. Can someone look into this issue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.2.69.34 ( talk) 22:32, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I propose four major changes to the article, in descending order of importance.