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This article is going to outline the educational attainment for each of the groups mentioned in the opening paragraph and then discuss the relationship between other demographic characteristics and educational attainment. Please be patient with the creationg and building of this article. Regards, Signature brendel 21:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Just a concern about the graph of income, race, and education status - there must be some flaw in the data there. For example, Whites have a higher income than Asians in every category, but in the "Total" category where the data is averaged together, Asians have a higher income than Whites. I don't see how that can happen, unless there's an error in the data or calculations. -Scott
I failed this from WP:GA for the following reasons:
- Davodd 22:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I think you should think about refreshing you fact here is a link why the highest attainment group in the US is no longer Asains and some of your figures are wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States double check with the census, wiki,and other articles thank you. http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?id=719 and http://www.examiner.com/x-3865-Chicago-Public-Education-Examiner~y2009m6d16-African-immigrants-outgraduate-American-Caucasians-and-Asians
The section on "race" does not at any point get into the muddiness of using "race" figures that in any way get into the whole Hispanic/non-Hispanic issue. Readers constantly comment on talk pages that (a) "Hispanic/Latino is not a race," which is true in most of the historic classification systems although the whole race concept is debatable and (b) numbers tend not to add up because of the overlap. Fixing it by simply writing about "White non-Hispanic" doesn't actually fix it, and this fact should at least be addressed, both for the sake of intra-U.S. readers and those in the rest of the world who may (MAY, I said!) have less familiarity with this subsection of the topic. There is literature out there, moreover, on how common it was for the "other race" category in the 2000 census to be chosen by the same people who marked "Hispanic/Latino," which confuses the issue further. I'm not saying that this article should attempt to straighten it out, only to introduce the issue and point the reader to articles that explore this arena. I'll try to dig out my notes and see if I can make a start on doing this, but if someone else beats me to it, I'll scarcely be disappointed. Lawikitejana 05:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
As per the GA dispute (archived here: Wikipedia:Good articles/Disputes/Archive 5) this article is being re-nominated. Homestarmy 18:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I failed this GA nom: The big problem that I can see is in the quality of the prose: it is choppy, too informal, unclear, etc. It needs a lot of reworking and copyediting. It does yet not meet the "well written" criterium.
Also the referencing is not thorough enough; large sections are lacking in inline citations. It is granted that almost all of the info comes from the Census, but that's the problem... more commentaries and books on the topic must be researched. The article is now just a list of figures. I'm sorry, but it's still not ready. -- Rmrfstar 15:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone find the official definition of this? Does it include completing at least a semester, a year, enrollment? 75.6.200.166 11:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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"This large racial inequality might partially be explained thorough the influx of uneducated Hispanic Americans -who had not been OFFERED the chance- to complete secondary education in their home country"
I think the "offered" should be changed to "Didn´t want to finish high school because thought it was pointless and prefered to start making money"; i live in mexico, where public high school is FREE as college and there are also distance and night options. I know a lot of teenagers that just don´t like to study, even when they could afford a private institution and choose to work as construction workers and get married young.
If you exclude the jews from the white population how much closer are black people to the whites in educational attainment? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.69.220.205 ( talk) 02:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
Wow. Let's enumerate the underlying assumptions that appear in that statement: 1) The subtle anti-semitism. 2) The assertion, whether true or not, that Jews are somehow not white. (This is a subject of great debate both inside and outside of the Jewish community.) 3) The belief that 1.4% of the population can skew the numbers of 60% of the population such that they tower over the 18% of the population when adjusted for scale. 4) The refusal to believe that the systematic ghettoization and exclusion of a group (in this case, 'black people') *might* cause lower educational achievement.
It sounds like you are just projecting your own prejudices. The question, even if not politically correctly formed, is valid and interesting. Your response is particularly useless because it seems that you knew the right interpretation, but instead decided to troll.
This is a valid and interesting question but any skew in the data is probably caused by baby boomers who are "white" and a significant part of the population. I am no expert on U.S. Census data so I will leave this argument to the professionals. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/most-common-age-among-us-racial-ethnic-groups/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roachpatty ( talk • contribs) 04:57, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
the words education and schooling are not synoynms.
24.32.208.58 ( talk) 23:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)The Pew Research Center has found that support for the availability of abortion, stem cell research, gay adoption, gays serving in the military, and assisted suicide correlate with involvement in higher education, with those with college degrees leaning more liberal. [1] [2]
I would like to include more info about this correlation, but the material has to be handled delicately. The fact that most well-educated people support certian ideas doesn't mean that the ideas are right-- (see eugenics). Still, these and other studies could be mentioned in a NPOV way. 24.32.208.58 ( talk) 23:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Figures are now available as late as 2007 from here: http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/educ-attn.html
References are made to figures from 2005 but the PDF report cited is from 2003. Davidbrake ( talk) 17:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
This obscenely racist article seeks to discredit the intelligence of "Hispanics", latinos and Blacks, yet the grammar says little for the intelligence of whoever wrote these sentences.
So they go up to the building and paint white lines with numbers -23 cubic feet, 24 cubic feet and so on?
Perhaps the Neo-Nazi and Murrayan (East Asian/ Azhkenazi Jewish supremacist) trolls on Wikipedia should consider actually studying the English language before falsifying statistics to create racist propaganda. 64.222.107.35 ( talk) 03:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I thought I'd ask that someone perhaps include a definition of "professional degree" on this page, or at least be careful about explicitly mentioning the definition when citing data sources that provide statistics for professional degrees. For example, when I look up first professional degree, I wonder whether the numbers cited on this page showing professional degree holders to earn more than PhD holders use a stricter definition than that page, since the "First professional degree" page includes social work, religious ministry, and others which (though I could be wrong about this) seem to be rather low-paying.
Darthhappyface ( talk) 04:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I think the statistics are misleading. The percentage of people age 24 or over with a Bachelor's degree is 19%. This number should be shown in place of or in addition to the percentage of people with an Associate's/Bachelor's degree which is much higher. Jmruru ( talk) 00:42, 9 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmruru ( talk • contribs) 00:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Maybe expand this section and write about the degrees where m>f and f>m? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.73.145.46 ( talk) 05:01, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
The 2003 statistics should be replaced with the 2010 statistics, here: www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/education/educational_attainment.html. -- 205.155.65.233 ( talk) 16:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
It appears to me that the US Census stats indicate 19.5% have a bachelors, not 39%. 201,543,000 total over 25 years. 39,286,000 Bachelors degree. Am I mistaken? Check the rest of percentages please.
199.8.232.55 ( talk) 16:30, 16 May 2012 (UTC) David Ostergren, PhD. Goshen College
I agree the "educational attainment" table is just plain wrong. Should be updated with census department data that can be found in the reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.79.203.125 ( talk) 19:17, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
The graphic of wages & employment by educational attainment needs to be updated (I'm referring to this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Figure01-earnings_by_degree.gif). Here is the same image from the BLS but updated with 2011 information: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.gif
I would have already updated this, but I'm not sure if this is considered a copywrited image. The data is public info, but the graphic may not be? However, I assume it is if older version of this graphic was allowed to be uploaded to the wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.8.65.25 ( talk) 13:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
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This is primarily a note for
GermanJoe, but I'm still putting on the talk page for visibility. In
a recent edit an IP editor added a link to
this map which includes a visual way of navigating the percentage of people in various counties would have at least a certain level of education. GermanJoe removed the link, which admittedly could have been formatted and described better, with the summary "spam, WP:EL"
. When I look at the page I don't see how the link in particular qualifies as spam, as far as I can tell it is a genuinely reasonable and informative map. Is there something else about the webpage or the site as a whole that overtly promotional of spam? Thanks
The Editor's Apprentice (
talk)
19:08, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
I put a warning sentence into the article as the first line of text. There is a 5-year-old "Needs Updating" tag which has been ignored for 5 years and 4 months. I am not a demographer, and do not know how to find the current data. I hope some editor, who knows how to find the data, will get on the ball, and update this article. Come on people, much of this article looks as though it is the original from the first days of Wikipedia. All of the data in this article has changed dramatically as shown by the one or two tables that have been updated. Please fix this article. Thanks, Nick Beeson ( talk) 21:51, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Can someone explain why differences in income due to major area of study is relevant to educational attainment based on household income? I feel like further elaboration is needed on this point in the intro ( edit in question).
TooManyTabs ( talk) 21:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Editors of this article may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Decreasing graduation completion rates in the United States. Apocheir ( talk) 21:44, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Vocational education and tertiary education are not even mentioned although they are much more important for a modern industrial nation and for producing informed voters than high school and university education. Germany looks bad compared to the US and Canada in tertiary education but in fact has a much larger percentage of educated citizens due to widespread high quality vocational education in the form of dual education. -- Espoo ( talk) 11:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
When I look at the page, the figures are too large. When I go to edit, they appear normal. Just me or is there an issue? 🤔 Chamaemelum ( talk) 02:07, 3 July 2023 (UTC)