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Minor point - the "average" daily schedule. "six hours" or whatever, needs to be reinserted with a reference. Similarly the five day school week. With a reference. There is a "number of days" thing which would also make sense, since there are only about 180 days required or so, leaving plenty of time off for holidays, in-service, vacation, etc. With a reference! Student7 ( talk) 19:17, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
This is sort of discussed now. It probably needs discussion before I try to integrate it.
"Drop out rates are a concern in American four year colleges. In New York, 54 percent of students entering four-year colleges in 1997 had a degree six years later — and even fewer Hispanics and blacks did.(ref) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10053859/(end ref) 33 percent of the freshmen who enter the University of Massachusetts, Boston, graduate within six years. Less than 41 percent graduate from the University of Montana, and 44 percent from the University of New Mexico. (ref) http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/business/economy/09leonhardt.html(end ref)" Student7 ( talk) 19:33, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Another paragraph that was deleted looked uncomfortably familiar and was totally unreferenced. I want to think it wasn't me, but anyway:
"Another issue is that many parents of private school and home-schooled children have taken issue with the idea of paying for an education their children are not receiving. However, tax proponents point out that every person pays property taxes for public education, not just parents of school-age children. Indeed, without it schools would not have enough money to remain open. Still, parents of students who go to private schools want to use this money instead to fund their children's private education. This is the foundation of the school voucher movement. School voucher programs were proposed by free-market advocates seeking competition in education, led by economist Milton Friedman, but have been criticized for damaging public schools, both in funding and diversity."
What's wrong with a little WP:SOAPBOX now and then? Somehow, I am unpersuaded when I delete this sort of thing in other articles, so will need to find something that says this. And WP:RELY as well. I think it is fairly accurate BTW. But sounds a bit WP:OR-ish, I admit. Particularly when it was citation-free. Student7 ( talk) 19:40, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
A paragraph once read:
"Forty-four percent of college faculty believe that incoming students aren't ready for writing at the college level. Ninety percent of high school teachers believe exiting students are well-prepared.(ref) Burlington Free Press. Retrieved September 15, 2009.(end ref) (Dead link|date=October 2010|bot=H3llBot)(comment)---this is well-documented and well-known. It may be moved, relabeled, and/or re-footnoted but shouldn't be deleted. (end comment)"
The link died, so it was deleted. This isn't discussed anyplace else and should be re-added. Yes. Yes. "With proper citations." Student7 ( talk) 19:33, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
I quote from the article: "Nearly 6.2 million students between the ages of 16 and 24 in 2007 dropped out of high school, including nearly three of 10 Hispanics.[22] This is considered important to address as the incarceration rate for African-American male high school dropouts is about 50 (fifty) times the national average.[23]"
Whoever put this on there should rephrase it. Otherwise, i think it doesn't belong in the article Opinions? Aspergiles ( talk) 07:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
There should be a lot more information on how our educational system play's a role in benefiting those at the top, and how it lays deficient among those who are classified as "minorities" in society. There are many things said about the educational system that conform to the positive side, yet there's not much said about the negative things that cause a vast number of student's to drop out school in high school, and the reasons for that outcome. Jona mart ( talk) 08:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
I am amazed that nothing like [ [1]] seems to be mentioned in this article. For outside people it is strange that a institution called high school is offering car repair education. In Europe that is only offered in the lowest part of the 3-part system. To me this looks like the weak point in the whole US system (everybody goes to the same school). Hobbema ( talk) 00:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
This section is pretty incoherent; it reads like a copied & pasted mash-up of facts selected without discrimination. A basic outline of how the funding system works would be an appropriate start. Discussion of whether funding is adequate (I assume this is what all the examples & Marva Collins bit are intended as...) would make more sense after that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.217.233.62 ( talk) 07:16, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
America Left Behind starting on page 96 in print October 17-23, 2011 issue. 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 23:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
I would suggest reconsidering or at least rephrasing the "Reading and writing habits" section. I feel that these facts taken out of context give an impression that people in America tend to read more than the rest of the world. The source itself states that Americans tend to buy more books due to the lack of borrowing habits and that because of its well established public library traditions people tend to take out more books than in a few mentioned European countries. First of all, in my oppinion, if we are talking about education the number of books taken from libraries in general may not be a relevant fact. Since reading pulp fiction novels do not serve educational purposes in general. Furthermore I feel that one source, especially quoted so poorly, is not enough to tackle the subject of reading and writing habits. Both of which include a lot more than merely three statistical facts taken out of context. Thus I feel that the whole section is off-topic and irrelevant the way it is. I did not dare to make the change but I was hoping to point out my view. Q Plung ( talk) 03:33, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
The organization has (probably "again") gotten out of hand. Too many levels (just added one myself, so I'm not accusing anyone else! :) Too many first level topics. Student7 ( talk) 13:37, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
An editor just made a nice contribution to what I have called "judicial intervention." This needs to be blown up into its own article. Will leave a note on the editor's page. Student7 ( talk) 13:37, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Generally, in the states themselves, Southern states students scores on standardized tests compare worse than Northern states. Until minorities are compared separately. Then many Southern states white students perform "well-enough" compared to Northern, as do their minorities, when compared separately.
I suggest that while Europe, too, has small minorities, they don't affect the scores as much as they do in the US - not that many minority students. I suggest the US would do quite well against Europe with whites only and perhaps with "blacks only" where appropriate.
I suspect that some Asian students do well in either the US or their home country. It would be interesting to have a comparison that separates them out. I have not seen one.
But comparing gross scores against Europe appears blantantly pov. It is not a level playing field. Student7 ( talk) 16:05, 20 October 2011 (UTC)