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are introduced in schleswig holstein and , in lower saxony . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.121.140 ( talk) 17:00, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Actually you do not pass an exam if you only have 4 points. That is already failed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.192.142.196 ( talk) 00:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The section on universities seems to be almost entirely a comparison with the United States - this doesn't help for those of us who want to understand the German HE system and ...um... don't come from the US (yes, we exist, shocking I know).
I was just thinking the same thing, and I do come from the US... o.O but definitely agree with you on that it makes too much comparison with the US. Thomasc0928 ( talk) 12:53, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I think the comparison would the Americans understand the German education system better. It would also help if the comparison involved other countries as well.
See math it is very basic, and thus so is Germany. That is my opinion because i don't know the difference between the German education and the education system of other countries.
So all in all if the comparison involved other countries it would be much more helpful.
Universities want moving to List of universities in Germany, which is actually a shorter list atm, which is very silly. Morwen 19:31, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Details about college taken (with curtesy) from www.stormarnschule.de ly 14:30, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Can we have a word about the new bachelor degrees - unfortuantely I have no info on hand... THANKS. Michael
This part is quite outdated. nowadays all students have to start in Bachelor degree with an exception of law(jura) .
secondly : Highly gifted pupils can take courses at uni while being at secondary school and count the achievements in their future studies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.96.214 ( talk) 08:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
of course there are scholarships in Germany, but they are not as frequent as in the US, as education is still free and therefore you can finance yourself by working -another reasons why it takes so long to get a degree -- Yak 13:49, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
What is the difference between Gymnasium, Fachochschule and Kollegschulen? Clear definition of Kollegschulen would be great...Thanks, Jo
"Achievements in the subjects... the chosen language, mostly English, French or Latin"
English is no chosen language but a normal subject every student has to achieve (in all states as far as I know)
-Phil-
You can pick French as a first language in Rhineland-Palatinate as well. (And Latin if you go to a school specializing on old languages). But you have to take English either as your first or second foreign language. The range of second foreign languages available is a lot broader than mentioned so far, not only at private schools. In Mecklanburg-Vorpommern Swedish is very common, Danish in Schleswig-Holstein. Russian in many former GDR federal states. You find Dutch in areas close to the Dutch border and Polish close to that border. Many schools offer Spanish, some Italian or even Japanese. And yes, Stephan, they have changed the rules: now everybody starts learning their first foreign language (English or French) in year 3 (year 1 in some federal states), starting with the second one in year 6 (at least in some states). sophie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.117.183 ( talk) 00:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
A gymnasium is a secondary school which has 12/13 years , similar to secondary schools in britain that offer the 6th grade. (the years 11 to 13 /12 are also called SECII (secondary level II) and can therefore be compared to the british 6th form as in liberality.
82.83.96.214 (
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09:03, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I created a template, Template:Education infobox which can give a quick at a glance demographics table for education articles. See its implementation at Education in the United States and feel free to help improve the template.-- naryathegreat | (talk) 01:00, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
The ranking of german universities by the Shanghai Jiaotong University is pretty pointless. This ranking was mainly research focused (even biased towards life siences). Typically high-class research in Germany is not carried out directly in the universities, but rather in the institutes of the Max-Planck-Gesellschaft. Most institutes cooperate with local universities on research and training but are not included into to ranking. I suggest to remove the comparison or explain the ranking in a separate article.
On the other hand, several of your claim are inaccurate conceptually: (a) A research-focused ranking is not "pointless" by itself, but rather points out the lack of Humboldt forschendes lernen (learning by research), which coincidentally was uncritically claimed to be the heritage of German universities. (b) The ranking is not "life science biased", but science biased – which is not necessarily a bad indicator, since this would too be a departure from the Humboldt vision, if German univers-ities only performs well in the humanities. (c) You might have noticed the similarly poor performance of German universities in teaching-focused rankings such as by "The Times".
Somebody might correct me, but my perception is that these rankings are taken more seriously by the German higher education administrators than maybe the comment above implies. — Ylai 11:34, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
The rankings are criticized by German universities and what the first commentator wrote is correct. What Ylai writes about Humboldt's forschendes lernen, however is incorrect - that doesn't have anything to do with scientific research of the kind that gets Nobel Prizes but with active learning based on the dialogue between an experiences professor and still inexperienced students. German universities do perform well in both sciences and humanities. Btw. it's not only the germans who criticize league tables (or rankings) based on - well, that's the point - arbitrarily selected data. You might have heard about similar protests from the US. One should always take those rankings with a pinch of salt and check which criteria they are based on (and whether that is what you're looking for). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.117.183 ( talk) 00:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, these timetables are very wrong... I don´t know any school where Astronomy is teached...
Edit: Agreed,the timetable under the name "Sample grade 10 Gymnasium timetable" is wrong, it says to have a break from 9.05 to 9.25am and from 11.00 to 11.15am, which is rarely the case (most commonly is a single break from 10.10 to 10.30am or from 10.15 to 10.35am. Therefore it is either wrong or not a good "sample" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.42.94.106 ( talk) 16:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
At my Gymnasium in bavaria you can choose Astronomy if you want to. And of course there need to be a teacher who is permitted to teach it. And really, these timetables are very very wrong. I'm in year 10 and I've 37 periods a week. Especially in the last years timetables became bigger and bigger, because in Bavaria we have from year 2003/2004 on so called "G8". It means that you are not going 9 years (like former) to Gymnasium. The year 5, which started 2003 is the first year who is just going 8 years to Gymnasium. Well, one year is missing, so students have to learn now more in one year to write Abitur at the same level like students in "G9" . That is why timetables are bigger. Because pupils have more lessons than in former years. — lau
This discussion isn't useful. Timetables vary according to the Bundesland (concerning courses) and according to school (concerning times, breaks etc.). Thererfore, I wouldn't include a timetable at all. Concerning astronomy: its obligatory in Thuringia in 10th grade; in Saxony, it doesn't exist at all. Toscho ( talk) 18:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Timeables differ from state and even from school to school. Times are only to apply in ranges . ie: most first lessons start between 7:30 and 8:00 (I went to a school that started at 7:45, one at 7:55, and another one at 7:30) Same is for breaks(recess)too . The most common scheme is 5min, 10 min, 20 min, 10 min 5 min. (after respective lessons of 45 minutes) but they can vary. (as in 5 min, 15 mins, 15 min, 5 mins etc.
All day schools firstly go mostly until 15:00h and also have an 1 hour lunch break.
Subjects differ, but the common ones are in year 9: Maths, German, English, History, geography, PE, Arts, RE, Physics, Chemisrty, Biology.
Additionally to that are elective courses which differ from school to school (mostly arts related or technical ones, or home economics)
82.83.65.56 (
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09:11, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
1. I work in a German Gymnasium (as a Fremdsprachenassistentin), and a lot of the (minor) things stated in this article just don't happen here. For instance, the students go around from room to room to a teacher, not the other way around. This is minor but I think the article may be well-served to point out early that the staying-in-one room model is more traditional. 2. I have cleaned up a little bit of the spelling & grammar, but honestly to me it seems that portions of this article were translated with the help of an online translator, or the like. This makes the article very difficult to read, and of course, reduces credibility. Also, with a community like Wikipedia, I feel that it's just not necessary. 3. I put the cleanup on here - not sure if I did it right - because this article is poorly written and confusing and I feel that some of the information is outdated or incorrect. I will try to fix up what I can, but I am no authority. Mirandom 07:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Separation of church and state Where are church and sate seperate? Source? There is no serperation of state and chruch in Germany. Why should the Basic Consitution talk about the duty of religious education in Germany? The whole subject should be erased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.10.90.54 ( talk) 19:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
"The FH Diploma is roughly equivalent to a Bachelor degree."
That's just wrong. It may be true that some international companies are badly informed about the German Education System (maybe they read this article? ;)) But judging from time spent and courses involved the Dipl. (FH) more accurately matches the Master than the Bachelor. It lacks some courses in topics like "Interculutural Communications" but includes more courses in Higher Mathematics etc..
They implementation of the Bachelor/Master system is currently starting to gain momentum in Germany as more and more Universities and Fachhochschulen start do drop the traditional "Diplom". This process should get an own part in the article.
Considering personally experience and reports from people who had their degree beeing recognized in the US, a Magister oder a Diploma translates to a Master and not to a Bachelor in the US system. Thorben 10:55 19 August 2006
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"In four states (Saarland, Saxony, Schleswig-Holstein and Rhineland-Palatinate), children have to attend two years (grades 5 and 6) in Orientierungsstufe ("orientation phase"), a special school type that follows the Grundschule, and is intended to help decide whether the student should be sent on to Hauptschule, Realschule or Gymnasium (or in any case Gesamtschule)." This is not correct for Rhimeland-Palatinate, the Orientierungsstufe is part of the various school types. Just transition between the schools is easier after those two years than it is later.
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Hi There, I am just tying to clear up some grammar issues, and attemting to make the article more readable. I have no knowledge of german education, so if someone could just make sure that everything is okay (I didn't really change any of the content but I sometimes had to guess at some meanings). If no one has any major obections I thought that I would do the rest of the article as well. Really interesting article, though! -- DO11.10 23:48, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
The description of the German educational system has at some places a strong German POV, meaning a significantly lack of critical view and even reasoning of what is being claimed. The English Wikipedia really should not have a more problematic German POV that actually the German Wikipedia.
One POV problem is Humboldt's vision of university. Sure this is the German heritage of the university structure, but this does not mean heritage traslates into real, contemporary resemblance. Reading any set of current texts discussing German universities published in Germany (take e.g. Der Spiegel or Die Zeit), you will easily notice that nobody is claiming that the typical today's German university is that Humboldt-like.
As another POV problem, I move the following, I think really controversial sentence here:
There are two problems:
Since the US college curriculum strongly varies in their depth, you cannot categorically compare the German 13th year to "the" US 1st year in college. For example, it is very far fetched to claim that any typical German Gymnasium would have 13th year courses comparable in depth to the freshman/sophomore humanities requirement of anyone of the Ivy League universities (maybe except languages). This is not even considering the majors.
Otherwise I would be glad if there could be some proof that the Lehrpläne of either of the Länder curriculum is on par with a US research university in the Carnegie classification (since these are the ones considered as "accredited" by the German Hochschulrektorenkonferenz). – Ylai 10:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
it is stated in the article that all states except Berlin and Brandenburg have years 5/6 in seconary school. Years 5/6 also exists as stand alone schools as well . 82.83.117.83 ( talk) 14:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, how are the German exit exams recognized in other countries like the US? Example: The American High school diploma is seen as Mittlere Reife by the German institutions. This means you can't study with a High school diploma in Germany. Can one who has got Mittlere Reife (meaning he went to a Realschule or dropped school after tenth year of Gymnasium) take the SAT test and study in the USA?
Someone vandalized this page and wrote "OMG free college" in the article. I deleted that instance but there may be more instances that I didn't see.
This articles makes many references to grade years. Are these terms actually used in the German education system? Even if they are it would be far more helpful to provide references to ages to help people from non-US countries understand how the system works. Dahliarose 15:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
The grades are called "Klassen" (Classes) so if you have a child in year 4 , you would say" my child is in Klasse 4 or 4.Klasse (class 4 or 4th class.) parallel classes are differed by alphabetically, (so if there are 4 , 4th classes, then it would be 4a,4b,4c,4d)
82.83.117.83 (
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14:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to see an image like the following in this article: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Deutsches_Bildungssystem.png (from article de:Deutsches Bildungssystem). Maybe in a simplified version, the "Sekundarstufe II" is indeed a very complex system. Moreover is this image buggy. After a "Duale Ausbildung" you can directly move to a "Fachoberschule"; the image lacks this possibility. Additionally the "FOS 13" is sometimes called "BOS" for "Berufsoberschule" (roughly "upper vocational school"), f. e. in lower saxony. -- 91.4.77.141 00:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
It is not true that there are 5 minute breaks between the periods and I've never heard about that. Next time you should have a German write an article about Germany, not somebody else. Plus, There is no shuch thing like an enforcement of teachers smoking on school campus, neither is there one fore students
We also don't have 5min breaks. The scheduling is different at almost every school. -- A3li 09:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
There definitely are breaks of 5 minutes, as well as one with 15 and later one with 10 minutes in Schleswig-Holstein. It's probably varying between the Länder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.7.141.166 ( talk) 21:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm a german student, and 5 minutes breaks are in existence, at least in my school. Bu i think the problem here is that school can change such rules and make then fit to their purposes, as an example, my school right now things about changing it to 10 min break system without the 'big' breaks in between. But overall, the 5 min break can be seen as okay, most schools do have it. 66.19.235.141 ( talk) 06:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
It does not only differ from state to state but from school to school. I went to three different secondary schools (due to moving) and it was in the same state nevertheless. One school started at 7:55 and had a 5 min break , 15 min 15 min, 5 min. (and following them only 5 minutes break ) A different one had started at 7:45 and had a ten minute break as first break , following another ten minute and a 15 minute break and thereafter only 5 minutes breaks. the last one would start at 7:30 and had a 5 min break a 15 min break a 15 minute break and 1 h break(for lunch as it was a day school) and thereafter only 5 minutes break. 82.83.115.103 ( talk) 10:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
,There are usually no security guards at German schools' Where on earth are there security guards in schools?! Surly most schools have a prefecting system, It seems odd to point out something like this as something that they specifically don't have! MHDIV ɪŋglɪʃnɜː(r)d( Suggestion?| wanna chat?) 12:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
These timetables are not very useful since school in Germany almost everywhere starts at 8.00 o' clock. Here would be times from my school: (some school do not have the 15 minute break after 6th period, but these times are much more acurate than the ones starting before 8 am... I never heard of a school starting before 8 and if it exists in Germany, than it's an exception! meta:User:louisana
8.00-8.45 |
8.50-9.35 |
9.55-10.40 |
10.45-11.30 |
11.50-12.35 |
12.40-13.25 |
13.40-14.25 |
14.30-15.15 |
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.205.4.73 ( talk) 21:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
My gymnasium started at 7:45am every day. There definitely are differences between individual schools. TrACE666 13:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
At our gymnasium, class starts at 8am, which is imho definitely the standard. Also, I dont't like these table screenshot images. I think I'm going to convert them into real HTML tables. -- A3li 09:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Most schools in my (very rural) region start at either 7:30 or 8:30. That's because there would not be enough school buses to carry students to school if every school started at the same time. But I have to agree that 8am is the norm for most schools. 217.229.162.174 20:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
In our "Kreis" school always starts at 7:50, at least for the 7 or 8 Gymnasien (I don't know about the other schools). FWTTVK ( talk) 17:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Times are different at each school. Subjects taken are different in each federal state (plus it's up to the school whether they offer subjects like philosophy or psychology). It's just impossible to write something that is correct everywhere. In my town for example, we started at 8.00 in primary school but at 7.55 in secondary school (so we would finish in time for people to catch the bus). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.117.183 ( talk) 00:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
The local polytechnical Gymnasium @7.00, the regular Gymnasium some blocks away @7.30, the two local Grundschulen 7.10 and 7.20. In general school, in the former East Germany, has the tradition to start as early as possible, in the former West Germany school tends to start later. -- Elceng th ( talk) 14:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I was at three different schools and one started at 7:55 , another one at 7:50 and another one at 7:30. My primary school started at 7:45. One should rather say they begin between 7:30 and 8:00 then saying they begin at 8:00. In the end it is not important what minute they start but rather in which timeframe. so one could say @schools start between 7:30 and 8:00 and end between 13:00 and 14:00 (unless they are all day schools which end between 15:00 and 16:00 h
82.83.115.103 (
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10:36, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I am missing the "Private Schools" like Montessori Schulen or Waldorfschulen. They have a totally different structure than the "state schools"...
This statement is made in such a way as to suggest that there is something remarkable about a country whose schools do not have security guards. Are there any countries (except ones where wars are currently being fought, such as Iraq) where schools do routinely employ security guards?-- Oxonian2006 15:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
>> There are cheap rooms for students built by the Studentenwerk, an independent non-profit organization partially funded by the state. These may cost 150 EUR per month, without any food. Otherwise an apartment can cost 500 EUR, but often students share apartments, with 3 or 5 people per apartment.
This paragraph gives the impression, that a typical student pays 100-170 EUR for housing per month. Even though this amount depends heavily on the city you live in, this seems to be too low for me. Without having a good reference at hand (neither has the article) I would say, the costs are more 150-350 EUR for most cities.
>> other social services for students (40-100 EUR per semester) Again this depends on the university, but those cases I know, more than 100 EUR is common.
Is it not very rare that students by school T-Shirts and wear them? I never heard of that or saw that happening.
In Schleswig-Holstein it's quite common, at least, in the nothern part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.7.141.166 ( talk) 21:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
School T-Shirts are in my area absolutly not common, most students don't even have one plus there is no one who offers them. The School T-Shirts depend heavenly on school, area and tradition. But I think it's fair to say that there is not such a high amount on shirts like in American Highschools! 66.19.235.141 ( talk)
never seen anyone with a school t-shirt. but those finishing high school usually design their own school-leaving t-shirts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.117.183 ( talk) 00:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Article says, "for example a medical course could require an Abitur grade of between 1.0 to 1.5, approximately equivalent to a 3.9 - 4.5 GPA in the USA." The standard grade point system used in the US is a four-point system, so those numbers make no sense. Will someone please add more info about the grading system? That would not only help the article but also help avoid such silly comparison mistakes. Thanks.
There are two grade point systems used the same time. The first ist the traditional one with grades from 1(very good) to 6(insufficient). To figure out the success more detailed there is a point system with a maximum of 15 points (excellent) for each course you take. The point system is used in the 11th to 13th year. When you get your Abitur grade it contains a sum of points (counted and multiplied/divides by factors)* which is converted to a traditional grade. If all your courses are 14 points, you get a traditional grade of 1.0 . (It is even possible to get a 0.9 for example.
If I understood it correctly, students in German universities must earn a certain number of certificates before they can become eligible to take their preliminary or final degree exams. It is not clear to me however how those certificates are earned. Does one only need to attend lectures/seminars, or is it also necessary to hand in homework assignments or lab reports and perhaps pass midterm exams ? Thanks for the information. 200.177.26.151 01:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
What one needs to do to earn a Schein depends on the course and the instructor. Quite common are: weekly homework or lab reports, weekly homework/lab reports plus a final exam, a final exam only, a research paper, a presentation and regular attendance, another project of some sort. Mauerblümchen 20:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
In recent years many universities (right now about 50) have implemented dual enrollment programs (Frühstudium) that allow students at a Gymnasium to attend regular university courses for credit (earning Scheine). The first university was Köln in 2001. Could someone whose English is better than mine alter the paragraph beginning with "Yet another difference: while at Gymnasium a student cannot take courses that result in university credits." to reflect that development? Mauerblümchen 20:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
There is too little about the Förderschule. (Schools of special education) The system of special education in Germany is heavily disputed. Germany is the only Western country where students with disabilities can be ordered by state authorities to attend a Förderschule. The vast majority of students with disabilities attend a Förderschule. Critics see this as an act of discrimination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.234.122.44 ( talk) 14:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Why were the ==Overview== and ==History== sections deleted? Why is this now a political statement about equality and racism instead of a basic, neutral article on the German educational system? WhatamIdoing ( talk) 21:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Because many people seemingly believe the english language websites out there, which speak of 9 to 10 years of compulsory school, I give some references resp. quotations to resp. from the school laws of the Länder about the duration of compulsory school. The laws are in German, so I understand that most users of en.wikipedia.org don't understand them. (Some of them are even so unclear and complicated, such that I don't fully understand them as well.)
Land | Passage in the law | Duration of compulsory school |
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Baden-Württemberg | §§72 ff SchulG B-W | 4+5+3=12 years |
Bayern | §35 (2) BayEUG: Die Schulpflicht dauert zwölf Jahre, soweit dieses Gesetz nichts anderes bestimmt. | 12 years |
Berlin | §§ 42, 43 SchulG Berlin | 10+x years |
Brandenburg | §§38, 30 BbgSchulG | 10+x years |
Bremen | §§54 (1) BremSchulG: Die Schulpflicht dauert 12 Jahre, soweit gesetzlich nichts anderes bestimmt ist. | 12 years |
Hamburg | §37 HmbSG: Die Schulpflicht endet grundsätzlich elf Jahre nach ihrem Beginn [..] | 11 years |
Hessen | §§59, 62 HSchG | 10+x years |
Mecklemburg-Vorpommern | §§41ff SchulG M-V | 10 or 9+x years |
Niedersachsen | §65 (1) NSchG: Die Schulpflicht endet grundsätzlich zwölf Jahre nach ihrem Beginn. | 12 years |
Nordrhein-Westfalen | §38 SchulG NRW | 10+x years |
Rheinland-Pfalz | §60 (2) SchulG R-P | 10 or 9+3=12 years |
Saarland | §§4 (1), 9 (1) Schulpflichtgesetz | 9+3=12 years |
Sachsen | §28 (2) SächsSchulG: Die Vollzeitschulpflicht dauert neun Schuljahre; die Berufsschulpflicht dauert in der Regel drei Schuljahre. | 9+3=12 years |
Sachsen-Anhalt | §40 (1) SchulG LSA: Die Schulpflicht endet zwölf Jahre nach ihrem Beginn. | 12 years |
Schleswig-Holstein | §§20ff SchulG S-W | 9+x years |
Thüringen | §17 (2) ThürSchulG: Die Schulpflicht besteht in der Regel für die Dauer von zwölf Jahren und gliedert sich in eine Vollzeitschulpflicht und eine Berufsschulpflicht. | 12 years |
Here x stands for the duration of vocational education or till the age of 18 years.
So with the exception of Mecklemburg-Vorpommern and Rheinland-Pfalz compulsory education last for effectively at least 11 years and in 9 of 16 Ländern it lasts for more or less explicitly 12 years.
I'll keep trying to find English sources for that. Until that, please believe me or read the referenced law passages if you can. Toscho ( talk) 18:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
OK. I have found en English source and added it to the article: http://eacea.ec.europa.eu/ressources/eurydice/pdf/047DN/047_DE_EN.pdf Toscho ( talk) 10:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I think smoking is not allowed in German schools any longer, because of our new smoking laws. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.201.83.191 ( talk) 20:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
The article states that the Fachhochschule was a post- Abitur training. While it is true, that students who have a Abitur can enroll in a Fachhcoschule, one does not need the Abitur to attend one. Students holding a Fachabitur may also attend a Fachhcoschule. I would like to change this.-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 21:50, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
“But, as mentioned above, there is no university-provided student housing on campus in Germany, since most campuses are scattered all over the city for historical reasons.”
I really think that sentence is wrong, because I do live on campus... in a dorm (Studentenwohnheim) provided by the University.-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 12:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I think the emphasis here is ON campus. It is true that there is student accomodation and dorms, but they aren't On the campus, but rather close by. SO it should say that student accomodation is avalable but in most cases it is not a part of the university but rather the student support fund. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.117.83 ( talk) 14:57, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Why did you remove the education of teachers section? As far as I know there are still lots of pädagogische Hochschulen (teachers colleges) in Germany. Just look at [3] (and actually I have relatives who are teachers, but do not hold a Abitur and never went to university. So I do not understand why you say that it was not possible in NRW. They are from NRW)-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 02:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I wrote that "at least 2 percent of students must be Härtefälle (cases of hardship)". The quota however is two percent and not "at least two percent". I wrote "at least two percent" because the university is of course allowed to admit as many cases of hardship as it pleases. Does it make sense to write it like this? I appreciate your comments.-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 19:15, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
when making this change you probably did not notice, that the quotes from Heller and the Focus Magazine were included in the source. On your userpage I saw that you speak German at a professional level, so I am including the German quote here:
Kurt A. Heller is a research professor at the Ludwig-Maximilians-University of Munich. He is believed to be one of Germany's leading intelligence researchers. So I think we should include his opinion here. Or did you think I presented a biased view of his opinion. If so, of course that must be straightened out. The one thing that does not have a proof now is the claim that the German media often claim that there is no correlation between IQ and schloastic success. We have that Focus quote, but right now we do not have a quote of another magazine claiming the same. I included this, because I believed it to be without controversy (reading German magazines or listening to the radio, I heard it so often), but will look for another proof, if we need one.-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 20:22, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Nach Ansicht von Erziehungswissenschaftler Struck ist die Hauptschule 'mittlerweile der wichtigste Faktor, um in die Kriminalitätsspirale einzusteigen'. Kinder würden nicht nach Intelligenz auf die Schulen aufgeteilt, sondern nach ihrer Familiensituation: 'Arme Kinder landen völlig unabhängig von ihrer Intelligenz überwiegend in der Hauptschule, während dumme Kinder reicher Eltern mit viel Nachhilfe durchaus zum Abitur kommen.'
"Focus" is a rather tabloid level magazine. It is not exactly scientific. —Preceding
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After having visited a Pschatrist recently because of my IQ rates I have been told the following: A Psychatrist wouldn't recommend a Student with an IQ lower than 115 going to the gymnasium, it used to be 110, but now one is required to have an IQ of 115, othererwise they are unlikly to be succesfull in this school. This is ofcourse only a guidance, but is scientifically aproved as doctors are using it. I would sugges to add this information to the article somehow. -Visitor
According to the German wikipedia article on the education system up to 50 % off all students gradauate some form of Gymnasium or Fachhochschule. Since an IQ of 115 and above can only be reached by 16 % of the population (although the distribution among age groups may vary) it seems improbable to assume such a high IQ as a requirement. 93.213.88.132 ( talk) 23:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
According to this article, church and state are separated and German schools are pretty much secular. However, according to the article Reichskonkordat, the Hitler agreement between Germany and the Pope is still legally and constitutionally in force in Germany and the following provisions are therefore law: "Catholic religion is taught in school (article 21) and teachers for Catholic religion can be employed only with the approval of the bishop (article 22)." Can anyone clarify? Thank you 86.176.184.100 ( talk) 08:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, what I wrote about quotas was wrong. Only comprehensives can establish quotas and according to what I read in the German Wikipedia it is common for comprehensives to do so. German Wikipedia does not have a source, but I'll try to provide one soon.-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 13:18, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Has something gone wrong with the formatting here? There is no punctuation and it's strange to see a link in the middle of an article. Mikeo1938 ( talk) 21:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Percentages are wrong!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.131.27.147 ( talk) 2010-12-17 Could you be more specific? Do you mean these data?
1970 | 1982 | 1991 | 2000 | |
Hauptschulabschluss | 87,7 % | 79,3 % | 66,5 % | 54,9 % |
Realschulabschluss | 10,9 % | 17,7 % | 27 % | 34,1 % |
Abitur | 1,4 % | 3 % | 6,5 % | 11 % |
The data agree with the source. Can you provide a better source, or are you merely saying that the data are out-of-date?-- Boson ( talk) 13:42, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
This article states that German youngsters ranked 13th at the 2006 PISA examination, while the article on PISA states they ranked 8th. Which is true now?-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 10:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
I also query the statement that German Gymnasia have been found by PISA to be by far the highest achieving schools in the world. This is so far removed from anything I have ever read about German schooling, including in PISA reports that I am quite baffled as to why this comment was included. Your ref is not to PISA (ref 11). Can you please link to PISA reports to confirm this? If you cannot, this comment is an unsubstantiated quality assessment which should be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.191.214.242 ( talk) 19:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
The subject and information of this section was taken from a document published by the Nymphenburger Realschule in München, DE. I have visited this school and can state that this is ONLY criteria for this specific school. Can anyone else argue this point? If so, please provide another source. But unless another source can be found that supports this information for all Realschulen in Germany, I vote that it be taken down since it applies to only one Realschule. Thomasc0928 ( talk) 12:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no mention of the ongoing controversy on mandatory government sex education at elementary schools.
Some Christian Germans avoid enrolling their children in the programs or have homeschool. Large fines are imposed and the issue of child custody has been raised. In April 2010 the website Kopp Online reported several cases of German mothers who reside in Salzkotten (Paderborn region) spending a week in jail for refusing the local sex ed program for their children! Similar examples were reported in the same town in 2009.
In January of 2010 a German family applied for asylum in the United States after years of intervention by the department for homeschooling their children.
Komment please. I may add a reference to the page GerixAu ( talk) 23:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)