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Shouldn't Ginger be under confirmed personnel? He played "This Is Halloween" with Marilyn Manson on Jay Leno so he's definitely part of the new lineup.
Why is Chris Vrenna listed as possible personnel? he was a touring drummer for a brief period of time, no more. User talk:69.215.98.132 14:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't it only be Marilyn Manson and Tim Skold under personnel? Manson said they are the only two performers on the album. They did it all. Street walker 13:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
The only way of knowing for sure who performed what instrument duty specifically and where writing credit is due is from interviews and such, and maybe the website once the Eat Me, Drink Me album page gets added. Basically the reason for this is because the album booklet publicizes the following regarding any writing credits: "All songs written by Marilyn Manson & Tim Skold." and "Performed by Marilyn Manson and Tim Skold." Both citations are taken directly from the booklet, so while we can assume from this that by "All songs written by Marilyn Manson & Tim Skold.", Marilyn Manson again wrote all of the lyrics and Tim Skold wrote all of the music, but as for "Performed by Marilyn Manson and Tim Skold.", this isn't much information. Instrument credits and album personnel don't list anything more than what I have included here. Everything else is in regards to mixing, engineering, programming, thank-you's, etc. This could cause a bit of a problem regarding tediousness of the Personnel section. R-Tiztik 01:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
In the current issue of Revolver Magazine, it states that MM is looking for a new guitarist. Any word on who that guy is yet?
The forum section of John 5's website mentions that John talked to Tim Skold about Skold's guitar-playing on the record, so Skold probably played guitar on Eat Me, Drink Me, not someone else. And recently Manson announced that Skold would be the live guitarist for the upcoming tour in June, so the band most likely isn't searching for a new guitarist. R-Tiztik 20:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
they did not do the entire album by themselves, whose on drums and keys hmmm..... yea there are other musicians on this album Rauj16 05:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Stop fucking putting the release date as February 2007 unless you have some magical fucking citations growing out your ass that I don't know of.
Yes, I agree, no particulars on release dates or anything else have yet been released to the public by Manson.
Once again, conflicting release dates. In the box, it says rumored to come out in march 27th, yet in the article, the mtv website is quoted as march 23rd. We need to get our facts straight. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MarilynFireDown ( talk • contribs) 23:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
I believe it was a MTV website that originally said the release date in France or some other foreign country was March 23rd. But, on a more recent update, the release date was pushed back to a release date of the 27th of May. This was also in a European country, and is not the USA release date. Speculators on The Hierophant Council speculate it will come out late May, so this date seems probable.
Until someone sources the June 19 release or 70:01 length, it's not worth noting. R-Tiztik 20:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Given that we have conflicting dates, I think 'late spring 2007' would be best here John R S 00:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Well Nickoladze pointed out to me that the official site says June, so I have changed it back and cited it. -- Reaper X 22:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Apart from the Revolver interview, the release date has been stated as the end of May here : http://www.mansonusa.com/php-bin/news/fullnews.php?id=420 Goldenglove 09:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, did a mistake, it says there the album is due to come out in June. Goldenglove 07:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Where's May 28th coming from? John R S 23:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Look it was penciled in for May 29, the artwork was done in early Feb, the mixing late Feb and the single video shot late March. It's all in the can, that's why the French mag were able to listen to it. The release date was put back a week (to June 5th) because Manson cancelled four days of interviews with European magazines from Feb 14 - 18 because it was too much having to go over all the details of his shitty 2006. He's on the Henry Rollins show on the 13th of this month, the interview was filmed at the end of January, it should set some of this straight.
Please people, stop adding random songs to this list because you have a feeling they might show up on the album. Nickoladze 04:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Why? It could be a great intro song. Nickoladze 18:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Where did all these new 'confirmed tracks' come from? I'd remove them, but I'd like to first know if there was some sort of unlinked source... John R S 22:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
IMHO: "Rebels Without Applause" = "The Red Carpet Grave". He's just change the name. And how do you think?
Someone keeps removing the header that separates the POSSIBLE INCLUSIONS from the CONFIRMED INCLUSIONS. If there is no article out that specifically names the track and says it is on the album, it is NOT confirmed. John R S 02:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Why would "This is Halloween" be on the promotional version? I can't recall any Manson album where a cover appeared on the promo version. The article should say that the track appearing on the standard version is improbable (but possibly on international versions), instead of the track appearing on the promotional version is probable. The latter is mere speculation whereas covers have actually been released on international versions of previous albums. If both claims haven't been exactly proven, then the details next to the track name might as well include the claim that's slightly more backed up. R-Tiztik 03:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
So now here's another conflict. "Putting Holes in Happiness" was mentioned twice in Rolling Stone as the album's first single. Manson has also been filming a short film (like Doppelherz was). So now "When the Heart Guides the Hand" comes up on a french site saying it's the first single even though "Putting Holes in Happiness" was already confirmed twice. I know nothing's solid when the album won't be out for 2 months but I mean, this was confirmed from interviews. "When the Heart Guides the Hand" is said to be filmed but there's no confirmation whether or not it will be on the album, unlike every other track in the Confirmed Working Titles which were confirmed as being on the album. I'm removing it from the Confirmed section, (especially seeing as whoever added it to Confirmed didn't have the courtesy to remove it from the Possible inclusions section). R-Tiztik 14:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Suicide girls stated that they believed the song was called "When The Heart Guides The Hand" but that they were not sure ( http://suicidegirls.com/news/music/20729/)
Universal Music France has reported that the first single from Manson's new album "Eat Me, Drink Me" will be "Heart Shaped Glasses" (previously titled "When the Heart Guides the Hand") which we can expect to hear around mid April. Manson has also made a 3D video for "Heart Shaped Glasses" which is an extract from a 3D horror movie which Manson will continue filming at the beginning of 2008 with James Cameron.
The official release date in France for "Eat Me, Drink Me" will be Monday 4th June. There will be two editions available with one being a special collector’s edition.
http://www.mansonusa.com/php-bin/news/fullnews.php?id=425
( MarilynFireDown 04:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC))
Mid-April, that's finally some great news. Goldenglove 13:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Just because The Heirophant confirms the title track as in all capitals you think you should keep changing it back to reflect this, I suggest you do some reading regarding capitalization on Wikipedia first ( WP:MOSCL, WP:MOSTM and WP:ALBUMS). R-Tiztik 20:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
A few links unveiling new song titles:
http://www.mansonnew.info/album08.php (in French)
http://www.mansonusa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46726 - The Heirophant thread
Here it is: http://www.mansonusa.com/php-bin/news/fullnews.php?id=426 Goldenglove 16:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, you can just add a note about how there's conflicting data. Either could be the title, and we really can't just arbitrarily choose one 72.196.197.19 01:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
MansonUSA was the first source for this Official tracklisting and they got that from an official source.
70:01 - source?
Where did this come from? It looks pretty legit (except that the album's not out for a while) which is why I'm wondering where it came from.. R-Tiztik 17:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Hahahahaahahhaahha, alright good point. R-Tiztik 19:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
No fair use images on talk pages, I have changed them to links. On the other hand, as a Bauhaus fan, I think the Bauhaus links need to be explained thoroughly and prominently. I have just lost what little respect I had left for Manson. J Milburn 21:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
It's been uploaded again. How about semi-protecting this page? Goldenglove 15:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the fake artwork again after 'tomy comic' re-added it. John R S 17:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Removed it again. I believe it was ubzar ( talk · contribs) who added it this timee John R S 02:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Corrected the above use of the hidden comment, but in doing so, I killed the user's sig. I had to do it, it was hiding a lot of discussion. In other news, when I actually looked into it, I realised how fake that image was, and so tagged it as a hoax, and nominated it for deletion. Should be deleted any day now. J Milburn 20:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Same fake artwork as last time, or a new one?
Where did this come from? I believe it was Vadro who posted it. And it seems Tomy comic is back because he's constantly adding the fake artwork... Again. I gave him this message and I think it's incredibly fitting: [Please stop adding the fake cover to Eat Me, Drink Me your wasting the time of everyone else who benefitially contributes to the article and your edits are ultimately subject to reverts — with 100% purpose. Stop vandalizing the page please.] Hopefully that's the end there. R-Tiztik 15:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Tomy comic started that up yesterday and when I sent him a message telling him to cease constantly adding fake artwork he vandalized the shit out of my user page so I reported him. This article should REALLY be semi-protected, I think there are other active users of the article who can agree; I'm not sure how to protect it though. R-Tiztik 16:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The page is finally semi-protected) What a relief) 17:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
No problem) Goldenglove 13:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Because Marilyn Manson doesn't have an official MySpace account. R-Tiztik 12:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It's true that Manson does have an official MySpace — it was launched today which is why I was unaware of it; easy mistake to make given the circumstances though! "If I Was Your Vampire" has revitalized my anticipation for this record (an anticipation that was hindered by hearing "Heart-Shaped Glasses" T_T). Anyways, the artwork with Manson on the left and the "bleeding" MM on the right (next to the stand-alone player that plays "Vampire") seems to be the official artwork. R-Tiztik 23:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Where did the 'putting holes in happiness' being the album's first single come from? John R S 23:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah. Didn't see that :) John R S 17:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
A thirty second clip of the single, Heart Shaped Glasses is here: http://www.radiofrance.fr/chaines/lemouv/annuaire/fiche.php?id=5000784 ( MarilynFireDown 07:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC))
This is a clip. It'll debut on the radio in May (most likely, seeing as the album is released at the start of June). R-Tiztik 02:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Wow, this is actually really believable seeing as how a rip of the track is on Demonoid. I guess it was true after all. R-Tiztik 00:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
So far 2 covers are rumoured to have been recorded during the album sessions (which is entirely believable considering Manson has tons of covers recorded during album sessions in his back-catalogue; besides the point though):
Can anyone source either of the two?? R-Tiztik 00:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, they're currently unsourced but to support it with a reason like Manson having never put a cover on a studio album (with the exception of Smells Like Children being mostly a remix EP, I mean) isn't exactly concrete seeing as "Mind of a Lunatic" did make it as a b-side. Either of the 2 songs (given they were actually recorded) could be b-sides also and probably make it onto the "Putting Holes in Happiness" single like those 3 outtakes from The Golden Age of Grotesque made it onto the "mOBSCENE" single, also that album's first single, and in turn worth mentioning in the article. The shitty thing is they're unsourced and pointless to include for now :( .. I wouldn't mind a Bathory cover tho hehe R-Tiztik 19:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
There's a bonus track on the standard Japan version, but it's title hasn't been announced yet. R-Tiztik 20:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Here's some info: http://www.mansonusa.com/php-bin/news/fullnews.php?id=419 I'm too tired to add any of it today, please do it. There are some interesting facts, including an explanation for the album name. Goldenglove 19:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
No way Manson can be synth rock. Goldenglove 15:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I took the liberty of removing goth rock as a genre as Marilyn Manson's work is industrial and alternative metal. He never was, nor is a goth artist. But a fine industrial metal musician.
I personally think we should remove everything except "Goth Rock" as that is the style Manson himself is calling this new album. From the songs I have heard, and from reading reviews of the album, I don't think there is any industrial rock on the album. It's a goth rock album. Street walker 04:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Let's remember the album hasn't been released yet (hence the "upcoming/expecting" portion at the top of the page). We can wait until its released to debate on genre. But for the record *in my opinion*, both singles have a post-punk feel to them, "If I was your vampire" is undoubtedley Bauhaus influenced not only in Manson's description, but in sound as well. Pogo, Tim and Manson all have long records of experimental sounds and percussions that are easily stereotyped as Industrial, both in and outside Marilyn Manson. But ultimatley reliable sources will win this debate when they become plentiful after the release, despite whatever animosity the goth scene has towards Marilyn Manson.
Like the AFI recent album, it takes influence and uses elements from new wave; which isn't the same thing as gothic rock (despite what every 16 year old with an internet connection and a penchant for Hot Topic may think). It would probably be best to just have it as "alternative rock" to avoid a huge genre war. - The Daddy 15:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
It amazes me that other artists can have fifteen genre's listed for an album, but this one is limited to only one consistant genre of "alternative rock" and occasionally an in & out "Alternative metal". If we want to avoid debate wars, cite a generally reliable source such as a magazine (Rolling Stone, Alternative, SPIN) or other popular websites that have reviewed the album, but right now we are citing fears for debate wars and critical personal opinions. Even though magazines can be wrong, they reflect what the majority of people think at the time of an album. No matter what you put down as a genre, this is Marilyn Manson we're talking about, no one wants to be associated with them. Synthetic_coma
Please mention REAL sources, "The Heirophant revealed" stuff is BS, they take informations from other sources, they are not the source.
No, I think he's right. The Heirophant just reposts information that is sent to them. But that's not a bad thing, maybe we should cite the original sources? MarilynFireDown 18:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Now we've got a source for that too: Rolling Stone Blog Goldenglove 11:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
So i guess the question is, where does all this ultimately come from?
'Eat Me, Drink Me was recorded in multiple studios in California, by lead vocalist Marilyn Manson, guitarist and bassist Tim Skold, keyboardist Madonna Wayne Gacy, and drummer Ginger Fish, along with "an assortment of other musicians".' Then later in the article: 'On April 12, 2007, a press-conference with Marilyn Manson has been conducted, in which he stated the album itself has been a collaboration strictly between himself and Tim Skold.' So one is wrong, and it's obvious which as the second quote is from April 2007 and the other is guess work and a quote from November 2005 concerning an album that was scrapped. 84.68.42.143 19:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Because the article is protected, someone needs to remove the part about 'This is Halloween' as it will definitely not appear on the album, as well as the information about the fake covers as the official one has been released.
I can't see it being included on the album, as it's somewhat upbeat and wouldn't quite fit with the tone of anything by MM since Smells Like Children really, but then again, it's not like the article claims that there's a significant chance. So, I don't see any harm in leaving it. John R S 23:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Could do with losing this from the article in the first paragraph as a) it's not very important, b) it's based entirely on speculation from the fact that IFIWYV and HSG are without swearing. Lastly MITMSFOF features the lyrics 'f--- you, f--- you too' and there are a few other swear words on the record. So it doesn't matter but it probably will have a sticker. Iconoclast322 02:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
This is somewhat irrelevant to the album itself, imo John R S 14:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there a source for that?
Theres no shame in file sharing : )
The question is how do you source a leak without encouraging piracy. Some people don't have the same good intentions of purchasing the respective albums when they're released, and I don't really want to encourage that... I sourced it though and I'm hoping there's some cooperative people who are gonna put the link to fair-use. R-Tiztik 11:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
If it leaked, then it is a fact, no source should be needed. Linking to a place to download it would be illegal anyways. Nickoladze 13:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
http://www.isohunt.com my preference for programs is uTorrent. Rauj16 19:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
i agree whole heartedly i will buy the collectors Rauj16 02:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry but it just sounds a wee bit perverted to me, just sayin`.
If you knew Armin Meiwes story that the title semi-derived from, I bet you'd be saying that. It's not just a title... R-Tiztik 20:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Then again if you were shy to perversion you wouldn't be a true Marilyn Manson fan from the beginning now would you ;) R-Tiztik 05:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
certainly through listening to this album a few hundred times it is evident that throughout his time of turmoil Marilyn Manson has matured in a way that he now gives us an insight into his personal emotions. This album is hauntingly interesting and it is not always easy to interpret. A true beautiful brilliance created by the AntiChrist Superstar, himself.
The list if not complete, but do not remove it because it is user submited so the will be up soon! Rauj16 06:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
the albums out know so its time to clean this page up a bit, eh? Speaketh now to me! 18:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
In the opening segment it says that its not known who performed keyboard and drum duties......but at personell it says Manson did percussion and Tim did keyboards, can whoever did either parts of the article clean this up? -Synthetic coma-
Was a special edition released? I wasn't able to find a copy through the past week... John R S 01:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
this is not a chat forum, and no it hasnt. ItsNotLupus 11:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
If you didn't notice, the article claims that the special edition was released on june 5th along with the standard edition and I was trying to see if that was true despite my personal experience. I don't even know where you get off trying to act like I thought this was a forum. John R S 21:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, there was a special edition, you dumb fucks! manson_0015 —Preceding comment was added at 17:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
How should the 'current status' section be changed to reflect the fact that the album has been released? 72.196.196.208 02:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
You can find some photos of the tour for new album on Marilyn Manson@wiki commons -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 21:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Goth rock and post punk are old genres from the early eighties, so it is very rare that you see actual examples of these genres in today's music. It is easy to see the next nu-metal band or industrial band. So if you are going to put it on here you better have a good source, a credible one that actually knows about these genres who have hit the history books. Guys, if they actually noticed gothic rock in one of marilyn manson's albums, who would care to comment would include pete scathe, mick mercer, dave thompson, paul Hodkinson. These guys write material on the genre, which as I said is more of a thing of history than a current trend.
...what would you consider a credible source, someone that thinks along the same lines as you maybe? My arguement is not that the genre should only say "gothic rock" or "post-punk", but they should be listed. Nothing in today's music is definitive (obviously from "alternative"), so I think its critical to list what all an album or band is close to sounding like. How credible is wikipedia if all of the music has "alternative" as the genre, ESPECIALLY when that genre (or at least the wikipedia entry) summarizes many styles and trends in modern music? Use music magazines as long as they don't contradict one another.
Is the song that he and Shirley Manson did a duet on really called 'Don't You Want Me With Baby'? Surely the 'With' ought to be removed.
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The lyrics to Eat Me Drink Me seem to be about American McGee's Alice.-- 67.161.122.193 ( talk) 13:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
More like Alice in Wonderland in general, didn't Manson also contribute to the American McGee's Alice soundtrack? Kornflakes89 ( talk) 05:28, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know how many copies of this record have been sold to date? The figure of 214,000 is quoted in the article, however that was 3 months after the album was released, how many more copies have been sold since?-- Freikorp ( talk) 13:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I know other manson albums like ACSS or POAAF don't have the Goth-like sound/visuals , but come on people, there is no denying it. This particular Manson album has sounds and music styles obviously inspired by goth culture. -- KMFDM Fan ( talk) 18:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
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Anyone interested in actually doing this right, here are a couple of very good references to cite or use as a guide:
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The should on the Heart Shaped Glasses film clip should be updated to reflect Evan Rachel Wood's most recent allegations that she was raped during the filming of the film clip. I'm not a regular Wikipedia editor but have just watched the recently released Phoenix Rising documentary put out by Wood which explains much about this album and this film clip in particular. I'm sure there are other sources for the same information. Other information relevant to the album is Marylin Manson's literal blood drinking and other abuse he did to Wood at the time of this album's production and release. 218.214.202.129 ( talk) 13:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)