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Great stuff there! As a resident of Dunedin for 25 of my most formative years, I was delighted to read the page.
There must be lots more famous Dunedinites... - wasn't Janet Frame born there?
[above text copied from Talk:Dunedin, New Zealand]
It would be great to have a sound file for the NZ pronouncation of "Dunedin" in this article!
Hey i hope noone has any problem that i added this climate table? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.158.50 ( talk) 14:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
A thought about the suburbs... With the three main centres, it makes sense to have separate articles for separate suburbs, With Dunedin, there are quite a number of suburbs that are writing something about, but I doubt that many of them warrant a full article. What I propose to do (unless there's any strong objections) is write an article called Suburbs of Dunedin, and give each of them its own subheading and paragraph or two. If necessary they can be moved to their own articles later, and it avoids having nine or ten new stubs. Good idea, or is it better to write separate articles now? Grutness| hello? 06:17, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC) (copying this article to Talk:Wikiproject NZ places, too)
Some of the late additions are out of order or even in the wrong group. One example - Halfway Bush is more outer than Bradford, surely? (OK, tell me I should fix them; but hey I didn't even attend the Labour Weekend 48th anniversary gathering of my classmates chaired by the Mayor! I'll fix them if nobody closer does soon.) Robin Patterson 04:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I've just removed the following recently-added line:
Dunedin is remote, but this is just too vague. Dunedin and Invercargill are almost exactly equidistant from London, Auckland's most remote from Gibraltar, and Wellington is almost exactly antipodean to Madrid. "Western Europe" is just too vague for this to fly. Grutness... wha? 22:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I would scrap the whole paragraph about Dunedin being remote. I live in Dunedin and it doesn't seem remote to me. In terms of being remote from London or Western Europe, what meaning does this purely geographic remoteness have in the age of jet airlines and modern infrastructure? It would be more sensible to call a place remote that was physically hard or time consuming to reach, e.g. the middle of the Taklamakan desert. [MMS]
There's been some good expansion to the history section lately - so much so that it might be worth breaking it out into a separate page and leaving only a summary here - any thoughts? Grutness... wha? 00:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that's a good idea. The history is getting a bit bulky for the main Dunedin page -- Griggonator 16:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC) Griggonator
Leave the correct information of dunedin Population, as the older version was inaccurate and needed to be corrected, do not change it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.180.118.160 ( talk • contribs)
For the territorial authority (Dunedin City) I've posted the offical 2006 census count and referenced it. Timothy 16:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I've just removed the following new addition to the page, which was immediately after the paragraph about the growth of the "Dunedin Sound" in the 1980s:
This is misleading, to say the least. Let's Get Naked, Cactus Club, Gamaunche, Craig Watt, Working With Walt, Wreck Small Speakers, and many of the other Dunedin bands of the era worked alongside Flying Nun bands, and although their sound was far more diverse than that usually associated with Dunedin Sound, they tended to be grouped under the same umbrella, especially by the music scene outside Dunedin. Certainly the development of most of these bands was not "in reaction" to anything related to Flying Nun, but was instead simply in the interests of a wider music scene. Small record labels like Rational and Xpressway produced a reasonable number of these bands (so they could hardly be called "unsigned"), and in many cases compilation albums by these labels featured tracks by artists who were also connected with Flying Nun. A case in point is Xpressway's "Killing Capitalism with kindness" album, which has tracks by everyone from A Handful of Dust to David Kilgour. Other artists worked directly with both Flying Nun and smaller Dunedin labels (David Mitchell, the Jefferies Brothers and Alastair Galbraith, to name but four of them). Grutness... wha? 12:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC) (former lead guitarist and vocalist in two or three mid 80s Dunedin bands)
Although I appreciate some of the comments of the writer above, I find it a bit sad that once again the 'Alternative Dundein music groups' of the 80's has been disassociated from the core 'Dundein Sound' groups. Maybe it just goes to prove that there was indeed a certain elitism involved with that movement. I was in a couple of the 'alternative' groups, namely Cactus Club & Fast Food at 8.' Although we did have opportunity to play alongside several of the 'Dundein Sound' bands, there was by in large, two very differing spheres of music existing in that era. It was difficult to forge an identitiy of our own, as the 'Dundein Sound', from my experience at least, was quite exclussive in many ways and we often felt viewed as outsiders. Please don't get me wrong, I personally liked many of the 'Dundein Sound' bands and went to their gigs. Although our bands were less popular nationwide, many of our bands were also able to pack out the venues in Dunedin at that time. The only references to the Dunedin music scene of the 80's on the net are always the 'Dundein Sound'. That's why it's sad that the original statement was removed from the Dunedin Page. So for history's sake (and for the integity of those bands concerned), there was indeed an alternative and vibrant music scene in Dundein at that time, forging out their own Dundin Sound. The alternative sound did develop of its own accord, however, I believe a major antecedent to this was in reaction to the perceived elitism of the 'Dunedin Sound.' 118.96.190.229 ( talk) 02:21, 4 September 2010 (UTC) David Price (Pricey.)
This article (in its Geography section) claims that Dunedin is the fourth largest city in the world by land area. I've also heard "fifth-largest" quoted elsewhere. However, comparing the land area (3314.8km²) to the areas listed at List of cities by surface area, Dunedin would be around position #26. Does anybody have a reference for this claim? -- Ghewgill 18:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The claim that dunedintourism.co.nz is the official tourism website of dunedin is incorrect.
'Dunedin Tourism' a trust operated by The Dunedin City Council a division of government is the official website of Tourism in Dunedin.
This needs to be changed immeadiately!
Regards
Adrian McCaffrey
Online Marketing Manager Dunedin Tourism
Tourismdunedin 01:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
this entry is getting long, perhaps best to create new entry of noted inhabitants of Dunedin? Michellecrisp 06:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why we need to use the wide image template and a width of 1200 pixels for the panoramas on this page? I would have thought that the 800 pixel wide thumbnails we had were perfectly adequate, especially given the large number of panoramas on this page. Wellington still uses the smaller size, so why differ. Anyway, if anyone is more interested in a particular panorama, then they can simply view the full-sized version. In fact, perhaps we don't really need to include both of my mount Cargill panoramas? (Donovan| Geocachernemesis| Interact) 08:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Do we need to use that map? It's pretty horrible, and I notice the same thing has been done to Auckland and Christchurch. Would it be better to have an atlas map of NZ in the background and an inset of the South Island with Dunedin coloured in?
And with the current map... we are not a dot at the bottom of the peninsula, there should be way more red! Remember Dunedin is big ;) Timothy 16:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
We could always replace it with one of the PD maps I've made for other NZ towns and cities (e.g., the one for Milton). Grutness... wha? 09:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
How is Dunedin pronounced?
Don/Done - eeh/a - din/dun/dean?
An audio file would be nice!
A few months back there was a suggestion to split the notable inhabitants section out into a separate article. The section is now getting very big and quite messy, so perhaps the idea should be revisited... Grutness... wha? 00:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Surely the albatross colony is on an island? -- Pete 12:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
"Modern archaeology favours a date round 1100 AD for the first human (Māori) occupation of New Zealand with population concentrated along the south east coast."
This seems very strange ? Maori population concentrated along the south east coast ? Of New Zealand ? Of the South Island ? Surely most of the Maori lived in the North Island originally as they do today. Is the intention to mean, most of the South Island Maoris lived on the south east coast. I have no idea. The meaning is obscure. Someone more knowledgeable than me should consider revising this sentence. Eregli bob ( talk) 10:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I wrote the sentence in the original form. It may sound strange but it's true. It's a widespread but mistaken belief that the Archaic population distribution was the same as that encountered by Cook. It wasn't. It was concentrated along the east coast of the South Island with just a very few people living in the very far north. Hardly any of the North Island was settled before 1350 and it was relatively thinly populated until about 1500. You can see something of this in the maps in Hamel, J (2001) The Archaeology of Otago, Wellington NZ: Department of Conservation ISBN 0-478-22016-2; also in those in Anderson, A (and others) (1996) Shag River Mouth Canberra, Aus; The Australian National University OCLC 34751263 ISBN 0-7315-0342-1 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum and Roger Duff's classic study of the Moa Hunters is also useful. No access to bibliographic details.) I traversed the matter briefly in Entwisle, Peter The Otago Peninsula John McIndoe Ltd., Dunedin NZ 1976 and again in Entwisle, Peter Behold the Moon the European Occupation of the Dunedin District 1770-1848 Port Daniel Press, Dunedin NZ 1998 at p.18. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Entwisle ( talk • contribs) 12:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The original sentence means exactly what it says and I put it like that after careful consideration. The population was 'concentrated along the south east coast' which in the context means 'of New Zealand' and yes, that's the east coast of the South Island - from Wairau Bar in Marlborough to the Catlins in South Otago. That's where all the big sites are. I wouldn't claim a preponderance for the southern part of the South Island's east coast but there was definitely a concentration in what is now the Dunedin coastal area. There was another to the north from about Palmerston to Oamaru and another south of what is now the Dunedin coast.This is between about 1100 and 1450. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Entwisle ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, just to get some discussion going on the climate. The Foehn/ Northwest wind in winter is not cold, it's dry and warm. This is the same for all locations along the east of New Zealand....Napier, Hastings, Kaikoura, Christchurch, Timaru, Dunedin primarily. Check out a forecast in the winter. In strong NW you will find maxima in the region of 20C. It's worth noting (perhaps this may go in the main article) that in August of 2007, Dunedin recorded New Zealand's highest temperature (incredible, I know) of 22.2C. This occurred in classic Northwest conditions. Certainly not a cold wind. Whilst it is true that Central Otago is cold, this does not make it a cool wind. The source of the warmth is that it is sinking, dry air which heats up very quickly due to thermodynamic processes. This doesn't change even in winter. The Foehn wind also happens elsewhere, and a good example is in Canada. In the Calgary area, these Chinook winds are very common. In winter they are warm and melt snow, bring plants out of dormancy and other assorted problems. And the Canadian landmass is much, much colder than Central Otago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.154.145.45 ( talk) 09:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Addition to this: corrected statement....Rangiora got the warmest winter temperature (22.4C), not Dunedin, but Dunedin's August 22.2C was the highest that month. http://www.niwascience.co.nz/ncc/cs/monthly/mclimsum_07_08
Also, not sure I agree with the claim that Middlemarch frequently reaches into mid 30s. Mainly because it can't be verified. Is there a weather station in that town? Sure, you can have people in their back gardens claiming 40C+ all summer long in Central and Canterbury....the problem is that they are recorded in conditions that are not standard the whole world over, so they can't be used to back-up claims. Central Otago is actually cooler than many locals would like to think (though I would still personally describe their summers as hot). The warmest summer towns in NZ are Kawerau (BOP) and probably Hastings, not Central. Unfortunately, it's hard to find climatic data for this sort of thing. It would probably be reasonable to claim that Central exceeds 30C with frequency in summer. But the fact that the warmest temperature (officially) so far this summer is 34.8C (Timaru), I find it highly unlikely that anywhere reaches into the "mid-30s" (let alone the high 30s that was originally claimed) with genuine frequency. An interesting point is that Alexandra so far this year has been on average 5C warmer than normal, an extremely, extremely hot year in climatological terms ( http://www.niwascience.co.nz/ncc/cs/monthly/mclimsum_08_01).
If no one opposes, I'm going to move this into its own new article. Michellecrisp ( talk) 02:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
statistics NZ and the 06 census should be the main source for population statistics, not individual council websites, like on the pages of all the other cities in the country. Also, it's IMPOSSIBLE that the 3000sq km area could hold less people than the urban area at it's heart, it's totally contradictory. Simple maths. Unless we count that apparently imaginary extra 18,000 people who have moved there in the past 2 years. I've only noticed one major subdivision in Dunedin in that time near (Green Island), and I'm pretty sure it's not the fastest growing city in NZ, which it would easily be was this jump in population correct.
See that^, it's increased by 4000 since the previous stat of 114,000. Current population 118,683 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.210.9 ( talk) 09:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
(copied from my talk page)
Hi Gadfium, I feel the "Start" assessment for Dunedin differs too much with the assessment guidelines. For "B" the guideline is "most or all Start criteria" but has issues such as "missing references". The article has all the "Start" criteria, and is clearly a "B" according to the guidelines. There are 18 books listed in the references, so it is not so much missing references as inline citations. If this is where the bar is set, most of Category:B-Class_New_Zealand_articles will need to be demoted, 1981 Springbok Tour, Frederick Weld, ACT New Zealand, History of Air New Zealand, all have similar or less references, basically empty the category. Please reconsider? XLerate ( talk) 10:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the right place to put this but: there is a side column at the beginning of the article which says (among other things) "settled by the UK 1848". What is trying to be claimed here? The Otago Association's (Scottish Presbyterian) settlement was started March 23 1848. Permanent European settlement started with the Weller brothers' Otago station in November 1831. They were "UK" people - English - so that is a date the place was "settled by the UK". There were earlier European (in fact British) settlers, so what are we talking about anyway? It also says "Incorporated 1855". The Dunedin City Corporation - the first such thing in New Zealand - was incorporated in 1865, not 1855. Perhaps that was a typo but it would be good to correct it.
Peter Entwisle —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Entwisle ( talk • contribs) 10:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I've just created {{ Dunedin navbox}} for use on Dunedinarticles. it's a bit bulky and may need cutting down a bit, but hopefully it'll be useful. Grutness... wha? 00:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi all - I've just opened a peer review of the article on Caversham - it's nowhere near FA or even GA, but it is around a B and hopefully can be improved by suggestions from the review. If you're interested, check Wikipedia:Peer_review/Caversham,_New_Zealand/archive1. Cheers, Grutness... wha? 01:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I've just nominated the Caversham article for FAC, after finally finding a reference I've been searching for for days. Fingers crossed! Grutness... wha? 02:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
this article could definitely do with some mention of the dunedin sound. relatively speaking, a huge amount of bands have come from the region... and yes, i'm perfectly aware that the link i posted fails WP:V --01:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Here's a candidate for a different main photo. It's definitely a better perspective than what's currently there, but it's on lean (and rotating it would crop some of the city) and somewhat out of focus. See what you think. Schwede 66 20:12, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Whats this malarkey about only 4 main Centres ? Census figures show that Dunedin has had fewer people than Hamilton for many years. Dunedin's"growth" has been stationary for decades. Without the itinerant student population Dunedin would be smaller than Tauranga and Rotorua. Hamilton's growth has been steady since the 1960s and now it is almost double the size of Dunedin. The "reference"to" 4 main centres" is more like wishful thinking than a real reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.62.226.243 ( talk) 04:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
The pronounced audio does not match the pronunciation guide given.
Most clearly, the middle syllable is pronounced with an "eh" sound (IPA 'e') sound in the given audio rather than a long e or ee sound as given by the IPA letter 'i'. Friecode ( talk) 23:36, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I am desperately searching for ... more photos of the Ocean Beach Railway. I would be delighted if someone has some, finds some or takes some. -- NearEMPTiness ( talk) 15:04, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
It seems to me the city gets short-changed in the article. It is noted many of the nation's biggest businesses began there. It is suggested Dunedin's significance began to fall around the beginning of the 20th century. This is at least 40 years too early and possibly 60 years too early. National headquarters began to move to Wellington around the time of the second world war. Capital did not. In the 1970s and 1980s(?) national headquarters moved on to Auckland. Dunedin based investors and directors still have considerable national influence. Eddaido ( talk) 11:29, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Just a suggested new location map. Please remove if you don't like. I can change anything and will be adding Dunedin city limits soon (made for History of Dunedin after History of the Otago Region) Dushan Jugum ( talk) 06:01, 3 December 2018 (UTC).
Regarding the 2021 lead poisoning section in the history, I was wondering if it would be better to create its own article. Something like the 2021 East Otago lead poisoning scare? Let me know what you think. Andykatib 07:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Can someone please explain to me why it is so important to preserve the hyphen in "bio[-]technology"? That's not the standard form of the word, nor common usage, nor the spelling of the linked Wikipedia article, and to be frank, to me it looks jejune and amateurish. Why has it been restored repeatedly to the point that it's starting to look like an edit war? — VeryRarelyStable 07:46, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
@ General Ization: Absent an answer here, I'm going to change it back. — VeryRarelyStable 02:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
I see that there's recently been a minor edit war (more like 'an edit skirmish') - among three different editors - about whether to say "The city has a rich Scottish, Chinese and Māori heritage" or "The city has a rich Māori, Scottish, and Chinese heritage".
This, however, begs the question: Is it really accurate to say that the city of Dunedin "has a rich Māori heritage"? Obviously, Māori settled the area for centuries before Europeans arrived, and the article notes that there was a Māori settlement ("Ōtepoti") in "what is now central Dunedin", but this was "abandoned by 1826" (prior to European settlement). And unlike some other towns/cities (e.g., Rotorua, Ruatoria), there does not seem to have been much Māori influence in the town's architecture and early culture.
Of course, we don't want to cause any disrespect to Māori, but we also need to be accurate. (I note also that the current citation that's at the end of the sentence refers only to "The Chinese community of Dunedin".) PatricKiwi ( talk) 21:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)