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Oppose. The analogy does not work: the point about the
Duchy of Lancaster and
Duchy of Cornwall is that they provide a private income for the British Queen and Prince of Wales; they are not about
Lancaster or really about
Lancashire or
Cornwall. But this article is about one of the many historical forms of
Brabant. Your next stage would be
Province of Brabant rather than
Brabant (province) and then you would have to change the provincial articles in Spain and elsewhere. (previous unsigned comment by
User:Henrygb)
Hm
Province of Brabant is pushing it a bit, we don't want to rename all the other provinces to "Province of East-Flanders" and "Province of Hainaut"? We don't want to move Connecticut to "State of Connecticut" do we? In the province case we're talking about a disambiguation and in that case we use the brackets, like for
Antwerp (province).
Duchy of Brabant can stay where it is but I disagree on the province.
Piet21:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)reply
IP User 81.165.131.103 may be infringing NPOV in changing the names of towns from English to Flemish. The 81. prefixes are Belgian Skynet users, like myself, and there is a hot political battle happening in Belgium at the moment between the Flemish and French - us English expats refuse to get dragged into it, which is partly why I am asking this and not simply reverting the edits.
In Belgium and some parts of Northern France, many towns have two names, one French, one Flemish, sometimes with rather similar spelling (Watermael/Watermaal), sometimes radically different(Lille/Reuzel), and worse, there are cases where two different towns have similar spelling (Itterbeek and Etterbeek, Mechelen and Machelen).
England has had historically strong links with Belgium, and has its own nomenclature for many of these places which often does not reflect recent changes, particularly because the English learn French as a second language because of its diplomatic weight, rather than Flemish, the dialectical nature of which makes study by neutral non-residents rather unusual. I therefore feel that unless there are strong reasons to the contrary, for all that "Leuven" and the like are the correct name as used by the local public administrations, none the less they are almost unknown as such outside Belgium and the pages should be reverted for NPOV reasons, because this is an English page. The Flemish/Dutch pages should reflect the placenames in their own language, as should the French.[IP editor]