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Requested move
The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was No move. With no opportunity for commonality forthcoming, we default to the earliest used English variant.
Cúchullaint/
c19:48, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment I am North American, so I find that "door furniture" is kitsch furniture made out of old doors... (atleast some artsy-types seem to do this in my region) --
76.65.131.160 (
talk)
05:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment.
Webster's does a better job of defining this use of furniture: "3. The necessary appendages to anything, as to a machine, a carriage, a ship, etc. (a) (Naut.) The masts and rigging of a ship. (b) (Mil.) The mountings of a gun. (c) Builders' hardware such as locks, door and window trimmings. (d) (Print) Pieces of wood or metal of a lesser height than the type, placed around the pages or other matter in a form, and, with the quoins, serving to secure the form in its place in the chase."
machine furniture,
carriage furniture,
ship furniture,
gun furniture,
window furniture—why are these all red links?
Wbm1058 (
talk) 18:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC) OK, there aren't
hardware articles for any of those either, but
furniture (disambiguation) doesn't even require disambiguation.
Wbm1058 (
talk)
19:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Aha! using the intitle: parameter, query results can be narrowed by title. The search word(s) given to intitle: can be anywhere in the title.
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Google Ngrams' country-specific categorization is notoriously unreliable; I don't think it's a good idea to take that data at face value. Regardless, it was not meant to be my point that "door hardware" is actually more common in Britain than "door furniture", only that the term ought to be perfectly clear to Britons and thus should be used per
MOS:COMMONALITY.
PowersT23:36, 21 July 2012 (UTC)reply
The n-gram data and the B&Q searches linked above suggest that there is very little commonality, and that to them Brits "door hardware" does not include most of what they refer to as "door furniture". Maybe "Fixed-wing doorcraft" or something...
Dicklyon (
talk)
04:02, 2 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment: I believe the results shown by Wbm1058 indicate that the current title is likely to be confusing to U.S. readers. Given that the proposed title ("door hardware") is in use, if limited, in the UK, I think it's reasonable to conclude that it's likely to be less confusing to the greater number of readers.
PowersT19:14, 6 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Well I'm not sure what evidence you're talking about, but if
door furniture (the current title) is indeed less common in the UK, then there should be no objection to moving the article.
PowersT17:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Both the B&Q's online catalog and the books n-grams result suggest that "door furniture" is by far the predominant term in British English. Sorry, I mis-read the mis-statement above that "Dicklyon suggests 'door furniture' is not common in the UK" -- quite the opposite.
Dicklyon (
talk)
18:04, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Apologies for the confusion, I meant to say 'door hardware' is apparently less known in the UK. Personally I am not that familiar with either expression and don't prefer one over the other.
Zarcadia (
talk)
18:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Double doors mechanisms
There's nothing I can find on Wikipedia about mechanisms for coordinating and/or latching of each leaf or wing of a pair of doors (double wing doors).
Closing order 'sequence selector' or 'coordinator' are terms I've seen for sequencing mechanisms.
I've been unable to find clear terminology for mechanisms designed to keep the secondary leaf free to move while the primary is open, but to latch it closed when the primary is closed.
Is there anyone knowledgeable on these two device types able to offer links here in Talk as a start?