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According to John Julius Norwich in his History of Venice, the "first two" Doges of Venice are actually apocryphal, and Paolo was almost certainly in fact the Byzantine Exarch at Ravenna that was assassinated in 727 after 726 when Byzantine possessions in Italy including Venice revolted and chose their own Dux, leaders, (the "Dux" of Venice being Orso Ipato, and the title later changing "Doge" following Venetian dialect).
Furthermore according to Norwich, John the Deacon's fantasy that Paolo was the first Doge has to do with (and he got it from who?), wishful thinking that Venice was born in freedom (which is most certainly not the case, as "Ipato" comes from "Hypatos", meaning Consul, the title which the Byzantine emporer granted Orso.)
Shouldn't we be using the Venetian names without vowel endings, like Leonardo Loredan?
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Why isn't this Doge of Venice singualar? As most page that are not merely lists use the singular. gren グレン 21:10, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Did the Doges rule for life? Fishal 04:24, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that the Doge could leave the lagoon, if he was accompanied by two observers. Someone with more time could find it in John Norwich's "History of Venice", which is where I think I read it. Plasticbadge 13:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I'll try to search through my copy of Norwich, but this seems to be, on the surface of it, utter nonsense. (Incidenally, members of the Council of Ten were confined to the palace for the duration of their terms, if I recall correctly.) Kirill Lokshin 15:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)He was by law forbidden to leave the city, confined for the rest of his life to the Doge's Palace complex and the connected Basilica di San Marco. (Compare with the podestà of other Italian republics who were confined by their term office).
Wow? Such doge Much Venice Very Imperial — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.255.212.207 ( talk) 15:25, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
"the doge was constantly under strict surveillance"
I was reading in some fiction that the
Capi (and boy there's a lot of questions in that article) were constantly watching him, except for when he was in his bed-chamber, with his wife. Yet, he can conduct business? And/or open mail from non-foreign powers?
I'd like some more details.
~ender 2008-04-10 12:23:PM MST
The IPA for the pronunciation of "Doge" seems to be incorrect. The correct Italian pronunciation is Italian pronunciation: [ˈdɔːdʒe]. In fact, I'm not sure why this article is using English IPA at all. I have added the the Italian pronunciation to the article, but have left the supposed English pronunciation as well, for now. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 05:55, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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Could someone with more knowledge of the subject revise this part? I found it confusing. In particular:
Doges of Venice were elected for life by the city-state's aristocracy.
and then:
The title "doge" was the title of the senior-most elected official of Venice and Genoa; both cities were republics and elected doges.
My question would be whether the doge was especially elected to be the doge i.e. in an election specific for that purpose, or whether it was just the senior most official who was already elected.
CryptoCat ( talk) 14:09, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
"This ceremonial cap may have been ultimately based on the white crown of Upper Egypt." The source for this nonsense is Samuel Sharpe in a book published in 1863. If there is no recent respectable scholarly source for this shouldn't it be removed? METRANGOLO1 ( talk) 16:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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