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Did you know... that Dishonored 2, a
steampunk video game, had its anti-piracy software hacked by a group called SteamPunks?
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I've seen a lot of edits over the engine field in the infobox, whether it should be listed as Void, or
id Tech 5, "Modified
id Tech 5", or even "Void (
id Tech 5)" -- or whether the field should be outright removed. Anyway, I'm bringing this up on the talk page to build a firm consensus to point to and hopefully settle the matter. Personally, it's not something I feel particularly strongly about. I've seen the engine -- as "Void", not simply "id Tech 5" -- come up a fair bit when going through sources, so I guess I'd prefer to mention it, but simply listing Void on its own isn't going to tell much at a glance, and as long as its in the prose proper I'm satisfied. I don't want to be too blindly bound to
template documentation here, but yes, obviously the Void engine specifically does not and is unlikely to ever have an article, though I am concerned over whether simply listing the engine as id Tech 5 with no other note is accurate and reflects the majority of the sources.
It's either Void, or id Tech 5. If id Tech 5, we can link to it. If void, it should be omitted, per template instructions. Note that the prose can still discussion it just fine. I would lean towards omit. --
ferret (
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20:55, 31 August 2016 (UTC)reply
I've done a string search in memory during a active game session and have came to the conclusion this is idtech5 without a doubt.
" #define MAX_DECAL_INSTANCES_NUMBITS 8 // If you change this, make sure you also change it in //blacksparrow/idtech5/tech5/engine/renderer/jobs/render/Render_types.h"
I do not know if I will be able to upload a reference without copyright problems.
Unknownzero (
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11:00, 16 May 2017 (UTC)unknownzeroreply
Alright, my thanks for looking into that. I'm hesistant to actually cite that in the article, given it's in essence original research, but probably worth noting going forward, and it does make me feel more confident about the article currently naming 5 specifically. –
The Millionth One (
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07:00, 21 May 2017 (UTC)reply
I'm pretty sure its well known that Void is based on id tech 5. The issue seems to already be covered with a note. --
ferret (
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16:48, 21 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Sorry for butting before even the initial review can be done, but I have my own concerns about the gameplay section. Namely, before the article is approved for GA I think it really needs to cover the stealth system in a bit more detail (maybe nothing too in-depth, but certainly it's important to at least note that this is a first-person stealth game ala Thief and not something like Invisible, Inc.), as well as mention some of the non-power equipment and combat mechanics. I'd also consider maybe mentioning how the player can manipulate elements of the environment (chloroform bottles and the like), but those two are the immediate biggest holes I'd see, the things that make me stop and feel like the article is incomplete. I don't think this should be too difficult to add, and I'm willing to help if there are any problems. –
The Millionth One (
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20:59, 24 June 2017 (UTC)reply
I added a bit on the stealth section, as you saw. That's me fine for now, though I think the gameplay screenshots we're using could be better (what exactly do these two images illustrate, and how effective are they in doing so?). I note Dishonored uses a 34-second gameplay clip, and a similar thing could be useful -- but that's a tall order, and not one I think necessary for GA at least. I've got the game up and running, so I might see if I can take any substitute screenshot myself. –
The Millionth One (
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19:29, 27 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Great work on the gameplay, really relieving to see that done. I added the screenshots to illustrate the differences in teleportation powers, but any further improvement is welcome. –
Cognissonance (
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22:04, 27 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Review
The series takes place in the fictional Empire of the Isles, with the majority of Dishonored 2 set in the coastal city of Karnaca. - I personally don't think that Empire of the Isles is not really that important to note in the lead. Saying that the game is set in the fictional city of Karnaca is sufficient.
After Empress Emily Kaldwin is deposed by an "otherworldly usurper" - can you paraphrase "otherworldly usurper"? You can mention the "usurper" real name as well.
Ideas for a sequel to Dishonored began while developing its downloadable content - You have mentioned that this is the sequel to Dishonored already, so this is repetition.
Emily Kaldwin was first proposed as a playable character and brought about the advancement of the timeline - This sentence assumes that players knew Emily was only a girl in the first game, which is not ideal.
Criticism was directed at the lack of focus of the overarching narrative, while the individual missions were praised for their creative designs. - This part can be presented better if you group all the praise together.
I had a brief look at the article before I start the review, and I was impressed with the newly added information. Well done on that.
Coin is required to buy these upgrades, which again may be found throughout a level or converted from other collectables. - What do you mean by "converted from other collectibles"? Selling them to vendors?
Noise will cause enemies to go to investigate, including noise made by broken bottles or the player hitting the wall - Sources say " banging your sword against the wall " rather than "players hitting the wall".
I think more about stealth can be mentioned, such as the fact that players can move bodies, disabling alarms, choking people etc. Is Wall of Light, traps and the rewire tools still present in the game? I remember seeing them in the first game and I don't think they were removed in this one. Is there any portions that players can use to restore health and mana? From the Kotaku source it seems like you can make use of the environment to kill enemies too, things like throwing whale lamps.
High chaos also impacts character dialogue and secuity level of each level. This should be mentioned as well. What are the actual gameplay effects of the bloodflies? The source seems to indicate that bloodflies will lower the number of loots players can collect in each level.
These powers are optional and may be rejected, in which case the game is traversed in their absence - "in which case the game is traversed in their absence" is not necessary.
"Dark Vision", the power that more easily identifies the player's surroundings, is available to both. - It helps you see enemies cone of vision as well.
Arkane did not want to go too far for fear of losing the series' gaslamp fantasy/steampunk "vibe" - You don't really need a quotation on such a common word to be honest.
Arkane wanted to avoid going against any broad assumptions a player may have made about his character while also giving him a "more assertive personality" - Did the source mention what they did to achieve this?
Mitton wanted Dishonored 2 to be "visually" "a journey to a new city", though keeping the same "sensibility" of the first game and elements like "oppression, disease, magic, decay" - Four quotes in one sentence, which is excessive. You should paraphrase some of them.
the team focused on developing ideas from inside the game's setting, rather than from the outside world - Not sure what this means. Can you make it more explicit?
I think you have used the quotation marks excessively. Simple words like "waves" or normal phrase like "taking up residence" don't need to be quoted. I don't think using simple phrases like this would be considered as copyright violation.
The majority of the development section only talks about art and story. What about gameplay development? I see some of the Game Informer June cover articles being used, but not the video ones. From my experiences, they are often very useful. I also found some sources that aren't used but are quite useful.
Emily was featured on the front cover of the November 2016 issue of Edge and of PC Gamer UK in December - Should use a secondary source to indicate the significance of Emily being featured in magazines' cover. If there is none, this may not be something important at all.
which was said to better accommodate side quests—opined as the chief incentive for playing Dishonored 2. - Gameplay section doesn't mention anything about side-quests.
I don't think Clockwork Mansion and A Crack in the Slab were praised by the GameSpot reviewer only. Almost most reviewers signled it out as the best levels in the game. More info on the two levels should be added.
@
The Millionth One: Added information from the articles that concerned reception. Having a hard time finding sources for A Crack in the Slab, and even harder time with the E3 pre-release reception on the singled out levels. Only walkthroughs and trailer previews in the search results. –
Cognissonance (
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02:12, 4 July 2017 (UTC)reply
I went through the reviews, and Clockwork Mansion is praised more times than A Crack in the Slab. Nonetheless, I established that they were both subject to this in the first paragraph of reception using two sources, only one of which mentions it by name. –
Cognissonance (
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00:11, 5 July 2017 (UTC)reply
The reception section is quite neat, but it will be better if the arrangement is better. For example, one paragraph is dedicated to gameplay reception, another dedicated to story reception etc.
Dishonored 2 re-entered the UK charts in the fourth week of May 2017, ranked in 8th place with a 1,267 percent rise in sales. - because of discount, which should be mentioned
it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
the layout style guideline
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reliable sources are
cited inline. All content that
could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)
The article is great, though there are some issues with the use of quotes. The gameplay section is much improved, but the story section still needs some work. The development section could be more substantial than it is right now. I always have great appreciation to editors who work on big titles like this since these articles takes a long time to edit due to the large amount of press coverage, so I think you have done an excellent job with all the recent GAs you have worked on. (I would have liked to work on some of those actually) —
AdrianGamer (
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16:04, 2 July 2017 (UTC)reply
I don't think removing the part about endings completely is a good idea. They are still part of the game's plot. I think it is ok if you simply add a subsection called "endings".
AdrianGamer (
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05:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)reply