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May be 2 faces linked to a healthy brain? Do we known any adult similar case experimenting some sort of 4 ocular vision ? From cerebral plasticity, this should definitely be possible, but would the brain manage the visual data separately or merge into 4 meaningful views of the same object(s)? May be extreme eyes are to far apart to have some of their visual field to merge? Even so, it's about 270 degrees! Also wondering if the visual system is fully operating, if it's not going to be a bit too much stimulation for the brain! Actually it could probably adapt easily either by growing more axons or if it's really too much by decreasing the quantity of data taken from each visual path.
A BBC interesting article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7340091.stm 21:10, 19 April 2008 User:83.228.207.142
"Doctors have told him them that despite having two faces Lali is healthy and normal. She is able to drink milk through either mouth and breathe normally. " - the BBC correspondent and/or the doctors were being "hopeful" (in quotes because there is no way at all that the child would have been able to eat normally). The child had cleft palate and other malformations. The road map for the developing organism is so severely screwed up that it usually expires before birth. No such organism - whether human or cat or snake or bird or fish - would ever live to maturity. As for the conceits of user 83.228.207.142, see explanation above. 64.229.77.253 ( talk) 21:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Could someone please put a pic up here? thankx. Ilikefood 00:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
There's been some obvious vandalism to the front page, but I don't know what the original information was. Could someone clean that up? 147.226.220.90 ( talk) 00:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
If you mean the "sonic hedgehog protein" bit, a google on "ssh protein" seems to confirm it's legit. who knew? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.99.234.144 ( talk) 16:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Could someone provide another reference on the Sonic the Hedgehog protein. That REALLY sounds like someone is making stuff up and waiting to see how long it takes for someone to catch it. I didn't remove it because it did have one reference but I'd like to see another. Thanks! 146.145.184.198 ( talk) 14:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
It's real. No one now can help the fact that a researcher chose an irreverent name for the protein, and it's not the most extreme example by any means. For verification you can follow the first "Sonic Hedgehog" link in the second paragraph to its Wikipage; see references #3-8 in the article (for reference #4 you need a subscription to Nature, but the rest are free full text); see the second, third, fourth and fifth external links in the article; do a Google search for shh protein; and do a PubMed search (www.pubmed.gov) for Sonic Hedgehog. For the longer research articles, if it's not visible right up front, a text search may be the fastest way to verify that it's there. Barbi6 ( talk) 21:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
We should also be clear that the name of the protein is *sonic hedgehog* (SHH) and the name of the character is *Sonic the Hedgehog* - the names are not exactly identical. Barbi6 ( talk) 21:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed this and left the references, but removed the part about (uncited!) opinions. As for those people believing the name to be frivolous, reason why (and also why your opinion ought to be in the article). 124.177.23.249 ( talk) 18:25, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
This is cited in the references and is not my opinion, but that of the authors of the cited references and the NYT external link (and as documented by the authors). It is also clearly evidenced by the number of people who have questioned the facts stated in this article for that very reason. Since the connection between the pop culture reference and the gene nomenclature is not going to go away and is not going to stop being questioned by every person who runs across it for the first time, there is every justification in an encyclopedia article for clarifying it. There is none for obscuring or suppressing the information, particularly when clearly cited to objective source references. Younger generations are even more likely to benefit from clarification as this particular aspect of molecular biology history retreats further into the past. To deny readers this understanding because of an unsubstantiated claim that the information "doesn't belong" is unwarranted, at best. See Wikipedia Deletion policy/Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions/Just unencyclopedic. Barbi6 ( talk) 03:48, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
And now since we've had yet another attempt to remove accurate information about the name of the gene because of a mistaken belief that it could only be vandalism (thank you AA, for restoring the original text), I hope it's clearer why the article needs to explain it. Can't do anything about people who won't read it, but the explanation helps clarify for everyone else who is surprised by this, but will read. Barbi6 ( talk) 17:52, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
It seems that the aside about the SHH is totally unnecessary and irrelevant to the main article - if one wishes to understand the naming scheme, they need only follow the link. It breaks the flow of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.95.97.29 ( talk) 05:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I agree with the above - it's a random parenthetical, over-referenced explanation of something irrelevant to the article. The name is a link, why do we need this? Also the second bit seems a bit unnecessary and non-NPOV, but let's just get rid of the whole thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.191.176.33 ( talk) 12:53, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Such a fuss over one sentence - you'd think the above comments were talking about a parenthetical essay instead, which makes me doubt their actual intended usefulness. It's well-integrated with the rest of the article and relevant because it stops people from jumping to false conclusions about what they are reading (and trying to dismantle the article afterward). People don't always follow the link to understand the context, just as you are not making any effort to do so here. For example, calling the sentence "over-referenced" is apparently now the latest thing after a history of complaints that the naming of this gene isn't referenced and proven enough. There is no need to be so sensitive about a simple, quick explanation of something that many people don't already know, don't realize they don't know, and don't believe without the explanation. And what is an encyclopedia for, but to provide a place to address exactly that kind of need for information, among others? You can add information, but I don't agree with "just getting rid of" what's there already. Barbi6 ( talk) 01:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Is there a source for any list of humans w/ Dpp? - 66.109.248.114 ( talk) 23:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC).
"I was only watching it with half an eye"
OK, time for a new wikipedia page
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You have to remember that the outer manifestations - three eyes etc - are indicative of far more serious internal disorganization. These creatures cannot live very long; in fact the kindest thing would be not to let them be born at all. 64.229.77.253 ( talk) 20:54, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
I found this report about another Janus cat being born, and thought contributors to this article might be able to improve this article with it. Either way, Happy Editing! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/two-face-kitten-photo-164356431.html Chrisrus ( talk) 06:32, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
References
Can I hot-link an image on the talk page? If not, sorry, but something like this: http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs51/i/2009/326/3/2/Conjoined_Human_Skull_2_by_dreggs88.jpg Would be great here. After reading about diprosopus after about 10 minutes I exploded and realized I HAD to see a skull of this, and I feel like this page would really benefit from this, if someone can find an image that's free to use. Punkonjunk ( talk) 01:46, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
The photo looks like it's of an adult skull or skulls, which supports the idea that it's a hoax. Especially if there's no documentation of an adult with the condition. Barbi6 ( talk) 01:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes these images are a hoax. The sonic hedghog gene is responsible for proper orientation in three-dimensional space, when it goes awry it is not just the experior that is malformed - the interior is, as well, with cleft palate and more. that someone would have three eyes neatly disposed above two sets of perfect teeth is the sort of insult to one's intelligence that can only come out of ignorance. Mutants: On Genetic Variety and the Human Body by Armand Marie Leroi is a highly readable book that provides numerous images to illustrate the complexities of a single cell's development into a hollow sphere and from there into a fully functioning, three-dimensional being properly oriented in space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.77.253 ( talk) 21:01, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
CFCF, I disagree with deleting the following sentence and all citations from the first paragraph of the Development section:
(The name of this protein was inspired by the Sonic the Hedgehog videogame character[7] and is part of an idiosyncratic[8] naming tradition in molecular biology research that some have criticized as frivolous.)[9][10]
7. Donahue JK (July 2006). "Gene therapy, angiogenesis, Sonic Hedgehog: Sonic the Hedgehog to the rescue?". Gene Ther. 13 (13): 998–9.
8. Cameron, David (2012). "Express Yourself (Space Savers issue). Our chromosomes bear creative, even outlandish, names. Who knew?". Harvard Medical School News 85 (2).
9. Maclean K (January 2006). "Humour of gene names lost in translation to patients". Nature 439 (7074): 266.
10. Ornes S (February 2007). "Bye-Bye, Sonic Hedgehog". Discover.
I understand from your talk page your reasons are based on WP:WTW & WP:N. WP:WTW is summarized as "Be cautious with expressions that may introduce bias, lack precision, or include offensive terms. Use clear, direct language," based on Neutral point of view and Verifiability. More on that below.
WP:N is summarized as "Wikipedia articles cover notable topics," as a criterion "to decide whether a topic can have its own article". WP:N says explicitly that notability guidelines as discussed on that page "do not limit the content of an article or list." WP:N does not apply here.
One of the pages you noted refers to the principle: [When creating content], "editors should consider how best to help readers understand it." This principle doesn't support deletion, however; it's part of the rationale for retaining the sentence.
People who know what kind of human suffering disorders of this gene can inflict (as with any developmental disorder, the suffering is real even if rare), and who are familiar with the "Sonic the Hedgehog" cartoon character don't necessarily understand how the two could exist in the same context, or don't necessarily believe that they do, unless they understand how genes like this were named. This is what the sentence briefly explains and the citations verify and support with further context.
Additional references, after a quick search: Page 348 in Fundamental Molecular Biology, John Wiley & Sons, 2009.( http://books.google.com/books?id=_l8B1LF14ScC&pg=PA348&dq=sonic+the+hedgehog+SHH+gene&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZTUSU9CZI8rH0AHixoC4CA&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=sonic%20the%20hedgehog%20SHH%20gene&f=false).
Page 4 in Pediatric Hand and Limb Surgery, Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, 2012. ( http://books.google.com/books?id=f0OP5u8ERDwC&pg=PA11&dq=Humour+of+gene+names+lost+in+translation+to+patients&hl=en&sa=X&ei=s0ESU4DNH6fN0wGY_oCICQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Nebert and Wain, Hum Genomics.2003,1(1):66–71; Cohen MM (July 2006),"Problems in the naming of genes". Am. J. Med. Genet. A140(13):1483–4. For this particular point, note that what this and similar references verify is that criticism exists (neutral point of view), not whether it does or doesn't have merit.
Right now the Development section is left dangling without any explanation of the SHH name and without citations. In the past people have seen that and then deleted that sentence, then called for another name to be inserted (which of course can't be done since "sonic hedgehog" is the real name). I would rather put the brief explanatory sentence and the citations back than start re-verifying verified information again, and I wouldn't mind asking for the page to be protected to prevent further swings of this cycle. Barbi6 ( talk) 21:30, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I concur with User:Barbi6 in that I find the explanatory sentence to be useful in the context of this specific article. I strongly feel that usefulness in context should take precedence over attempts to adhere to generally applied ' rules'. I think the goal of effectively fully communicating to readers and other editors and avoiding mistaken deletions takes precedence over urges to strictly satisfy orthodoxy. Least harm, least surprise, least hassle in the long run seems to be to leave in an explanation. In-real-life many people still tend to associate a somber tone with science and may be thrown off by the bit-of-whimsy if it's not explicitly explained. I imagine the need for this may change over time with continued generational turnover.
That said, I actually didn't even make it to the explanatory sentence before clicking the page history to address what I thought was vandalism. It was the inline comment [<!-- -->] in the source markup text that led me to look further. My thanks goes out to whoever put it there. Even though such inline comments are generally discouraged, in this case it was specifically useful.
I think I may be able to tweak the phrasing a bit to make things less surprising to future readers. Will give-it-a-shot after this.
-- Kevjonesin ( talk) 04:38, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
After a bit of 'googling' into "sonic hedgehog" I noticed that the forms "Shh" and "SHH" seem to be used interchangeably to represent it in text. A NCBI site —
"SHH sonic hedgehog [ Homo sapiens (human) ]". National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI). U.S. Department of Health & Human Services. Retrieved 20 March 2014. — lists "SHH" as the "Official Symbol" yet using my browser's 'find' function [<Ctrl>+<f>
] reveals that many of the footnotes on the very same page use "Shh" as well. "SHH" seems—anecdotally—a bit more prevalent, and personally I find it more distinct and legible when used inline with other text. I therefore propose changing usage in the article to the all caps "SHH" form.
p.s.— I'm gonna' 'be bold' and make the change. Folks are free to revert if they really feel it warrants discussion.
-- Kevjonesin ( talk) 07:58, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
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