This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||
|
Here's a blank table for anyone who wants to make a box for the marriage of any of Victoria's children. The top half can be taken from the table at Grandchildren of Victoria and Albert#Children of Victoria and Albert.
The result for a female subject and her husband looks like this before it's filled:
The Marriage of | ||||
Name | Birth | Death | Notes | |
picture here | subject's name | |||
picture here | husband's name |
For a male subject and his wife, it looks like this:
The Marriage of | ||||
Name | Birth | Death | Notes | |
picture here | subject's name | |||
picture here | wife's name |
—— Shakescene ( talk) 04:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I removed the ancestry boxes because someone must have messed with the template on the ancestry boxes to make them non-collapsible. The list was way too long and hard to read. -- Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy ( talk) 02:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Would it be of interest to casual readers (after seeing Elizabeth II at her grandson's wedding) to know not only about the great-grandchildren born during Victoria's lifetime, but also the number of her grandchildren who wed during her reign? [Of course one often led to the other.] All the first marriages of the Princess Royal's children seem to have occurred during her mother's reign, and many of the marriages of Edward VII's children (most notably of George V to Queen Mary).
It doesn't seem unusual for Queen Mothers (or dowagers) such as Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary, or Queen Elizabeth (Bowes-Lyon) to have seen their grandchildren married in their widowhood, but perhaps less usual for kings or queens regnant. But that's an impression, not a carefully-considered calculation. For example, King George VI saw none of his grandchildren's marriages: Princess Elizabeth married Prince Philip in 1947 (11 years after her grandfather King George V had died) and succeeded to the throne in 1952, when Prince Charles was 4 and Princess Anne even younger. Is this too trivial; does it deserve a separate list? —— Shakescene ( talk) 13:44, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
An image used in this article,
File:Laszlo - Alice, Countess of Athlone.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at
Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests January 2012
Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.
This notification is provided by a Bot -- CommonsNotificationBot ( talk) 18:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
Sorry but, there is 91 great-grandchildren of Queen Victoria, not only 85 as the text says.
Proof:
23 grandchildren of Princess Royal Victoria
10 grandchildren of Edward VII
16 grandchildren of Alice
18 grandchildren of Alfred
1 grandchildren of Helena
7 grandchildren of Arthur
8 grandchildren of Leopold
8 grandchildren of Beatrice
23+10+16+18+1+7+8+8=91, not 85.
Am I wrong in anything?
Grandparents | Sons | Daugh- ters |
Children | Grandsons | Grand- daughters |
Grand- children |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Victoria, Princess Royal & Kaiser Frederick III | 4 | 4 | 8 | 18 | 5 | 23 |
Edward VII & Queen Alexandra of Denmark | 3 | 3 | 6 | 7 | 3 | 10 |
Princess Alice & Louis IV of Hesse | 2 | 5 | 7 | [4+] 5 | [1+] 6 | [5+] 11 |
Prince Alfred & Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovana | 2 | 4 | 6 | 10 | 9 | 19 |
Princess Helena & Prince Christian of Schleswig-Holstein | 4 | 2 | 6 | 0 | [1] | [1] |
Princess Louise & John Campbell, 9th Duke of Argyll | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Prince Arthur & Princess Louise of Prussia | 1 | 2 | 3 | 6 | 1 | 7 |
Leopold, Duke of Albany & Princess Helena of Waldeck | 1 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 8 |
Princess Beatrice & Prince Henry of Battenberg | 3 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 3 | 8 |
Total | 20 | 22 | 42 | 56 | 31 | 87 |
I'm very doubtful about the following paragraph, which does add some welcome colour and detail to the bare listing, but is out of tune with the rest of this article's simple purpose and doggedly objective neutral tone:
Queen Victoria, at times, had contentious relations with her children. She had trouble relating to her children when they were young, some of this possibly owing to her own isolated childhood.[4] She also, occasionally, resented that they interfered with time that she would prefer to spend with Albert.[5] Both Victoria and Albert weren't above playing favorites with their children, and unfortunately did little to hide their favoritism.[5] Both Vicky and Alfred were the favorites of Albert, and Arthur enjoyed the favoritism of both his parents.[5] Victoria initially was jealous of the time that Albert had been spent with Vicky, but in her widowhood Victoria made Vicky something of her confidante,[6] and for her part, Vicky had accrued hundreds of letters from her mother, to the point that shortly before her death, she had them smuggled out of Germany by her brother's secretary, Sir Frederick Ponsonby.[7] Of her sons, Victoria had the most trouble with her eldest, the Prince of Wales, and her youngest, Leopold.[6] Amongst her daughters, Victoria clashed often with Louise.[6] She also had an awkward relationship with her second eldest daughter, Alice, who the queen, despite praising her thoughtfulness, also criticized her as being too melancholy and self-absorbed.[6] In her widowhood, Victoria expected Beatrice, who was only four when her father died, to remain at home with her, and only permitted to marry on the condition that she and her husband remain in England.[8]
The footnotes refer to half a dozen pages from only two popular sources, although they might well just be citations to support much deeper knowledge by the editor who added this. Needless to say, I appreciate the hard work that went into compiling and composing this; it's obviously well-intended to improve and expand the article, but I regret that this effort might be misplaced.
My inclination is to remove this paragraph, which might fit better in the principal (non-list) article, Queen Victoria. What do others think? —— Shakescene ( talk) 10:24, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
The third daughter, Princess Irene, married her first cousin in 1888, Prince Henry (1862–1929), son of her aunt Victoria, the British Princess Royal & German Empress and had issue (3 sons):�Prince Waldemar of Prussia (1889–1945), Prince Sigismund of Prussia (1896–1978) and Prince Heinrich of Prussia. Ellemmae ( talk) 16:12, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. Community Tech bot ( talk) 16:22, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
This used to have the title Grandchildren of Victoria and Albert (which now redirects here) but I can't find any discussion of the title move. Although I think "Victoria & Albert" is a sufficient identification for most people, it might not be so for every reader outside Britain, Ireland and Canada. So, I'd be perfectly happy to make it more specific and formal by changing the title to Grandchildren of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. In that context, it's entirely obvious that Prince Albert refers to the British Prince Consort and not, for example, to some member of Belgian royalty with the same name. However, I think "Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" is an ugly and unnecessary mouthful, in the same way that a broad consensus (against a smaller but sturdier resistance) replaced the former Victoria of the United Kingdom with the commonly-used and easily-recognized Queen Victoria. In fact, I think that the hypothetical Ordinary Reader for whose convenience Wikipedia article titles should be written is more likely to recognize (and type in) "Prince Albert" than "Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha". —— Shakescene ( talk) 17:33, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to "Descendants of Queen Victoria" ( non-admin closure) b uidh e 14:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Grandchildren of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha →
Grandchildren of Queen Victoria – This article's title was changed several years ago without notice or discussion. The change was discussed after the fact on this Talk Page in 2018, with three people agreeing that a change was necessary. Three reasons for changing it back to its original name are that (1) the present title is ugly and unwieldy, (2) that the current title introduces doubt about which spouse ruled which realm, but most importantly (3) that this is not a title that an average reader would naturally enter without the need to look it up. In addition, "of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha" is not only confusing but unnecessary since Albert was also a Prince (Consort) of the United Kingdom. There is legitimate room, however, to debate between
Grandchildren of Queen Victoria,
Grandchildren of Victoria and Albert and
Grandchildren of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. "Victoria and Albert" is instantly recognisable to almost everyone in Britain, Ireland and much of the Commonwealth, but may be less so elsewhere.
Grandchildren of Queen Victoria was this article's original title and is probably the one most likely to be typed in first. All of Queen Victoria's grandchildren were also grandchildren of Prince Albert.
—— Shakescene (
talk)
15:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
As a 1st time noob, I didn't dare try and edit the text, but the formulation in section 3.2 [Edward VII], second paragraph is very misleading. "As the only children of King George VI and Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (the Queen Mother, 1900–2002), Elizabeth and Margaret were therefore great-granddaughters of Edward VII and great-great-granddaughters of Queen Victoria". Elizabeth and Margaret became great-granddaughters of Edward VII at the instant(s) of their respective births, and no number of subsequent siblings would have changed this status. I suggest removing the first clause: "As the only children of King George VI and Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (the Queen Mother, 1900–2002),". I hope some more experienced editor will make an appropriate change. -- Delynch2 ( talk) 18:37, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 20:38, 3 February 2023 (UTC)