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[T]he 56-year-old detainee was murderedby US marines, he stook his last breath through broken ribs, lying on the floor beneath a U.S. soldier in Interrogation Room 6 in the western Iraqi desert. Two days before, a secret CIA-sponsored group of Iraqi paramilitaries, working with Army interrogators, had beaten Mowhoush nearly senseless, using fists, a club and a rubber hose, according to classified documents.
. Army psychological-operations officers quickly distributed leaflets designed to convince locals that the general had cooperated and outed key insurgents.
See Also: * Guantánamo Bay Qur'an desecration allegations
+ * U.S. invasion of Afghanistan
Sherurcij 15:34, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
I quote from a reliable source and you ask for "evidence"???? WAS 4.250 02:26, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Isn't the fact that he was the head of the Iraqi Air Force supremely more important than an entire article on how he died? John Barleycorn 22:54, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
I've tried to clean up the article, while still using your new information about where/how he was 'captured' and such. I've also removed him from the categories "War on Terror" and "Humans Rights Abuses" as we tend not to put every person who was abused on those lists. However I've added him to the "Iraqi People" list :) If you have any concerns, I would appreciate you discussing them on the talk page, before reverting or adding large chunks of text about his death which I think is amply covered now. As John Barleycorn suggested, I would love to see more on his actual role prior to the 2003 invasion Sherurcij 23:14, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
I edited a couple of the sections a bit to make this sound a little more encyclopedia-like. But I am really not happy with the article.
One positive though, RE: NPOV; with Welshofer's conviction, I think some of our problems disappear. We can now say with complete neutrality that Mowhoush was murdered by American forces. (My wording wouldn't be precisely that though.
But I see two major problems with the article in its current form:
First, there is NO biographical information on Mowhoush, who was after all a Major General, and head of the Air Force. That makes him an important enough person to at least have a paragraph of information on him. Yes, the fact that he died under torture is the most important thing about him, vis a vis the English Wikipedia, but I think the first paragraph should have some basic information about him. I've tried google books and Amazon search inside the book, but came up dry. I suggest that somebody who's better at arabic than I try searching arabic language sources.
Second, the article is basically an assemblage of quotes from news sources. How boring and unencyclopedic. Let's write our own paragraphs. I can see that some of these were introduced in the false belief that they preserved a sense of NPOV and thus headed off an impending edit war; surely we can rewrite them better, preserve the same information and stick the news sources in footnotes. -- jackbrown 12:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
"The circumstances of Mowhoush's "capture", detention and death appear to have been the subject of a campaign of misinformation by U.S. military authorities"
This is an uncited claim. Saying "appear to have been...campaign of misinformation" is someone placing their opinion of the situation in the article. This should be removed and the sentence just saying "The military has changed it's etc.." Chairman Meow 05:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
http://www.haguejusticeportal.net/Docs/NLP/Germany/Rumsfeld_CriminalIndictment_29-11-2004.pdf This is not a reliable source. For future reference, the indictment lists [Arthur Kane and Miles Moffeit, Carson GI eyed in jail death Iraqi general died in custody, The Denver Post, May 28, 2004] and [Bob Drogin, Abuse Brings Deaths of Captives Into Focus, Los Angeles Times, May 16, 2004] and [Human Rights Watch: “The Road to Abu Ghraib” p.28] as sources. I'm going to search these sources before I delete the content that was sourced to the indictment. Mnnlaxer ( talk) 04:26, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
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