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Comment by Ralph Katzenell. My brother, Sydney Katzenell (now deceased)told me that in fact he (Syd) originated Angie whilst living in a flat at 26 St Charles Square, in the West End of London. The flat was occupied by a whole group of kids who were musicians, who hung out at, among other places, "The Gyre and Gimble" in John Adams Street, just across from the side stairs up to Charing X Railway Station. Syd had a sort of "job" looking after the coffee shop, and always made sure that young musicians could get free coffee and a place to play there. Angie, he told me, was based on "Hit the Road, Jack" which was a hit at the time, and "Big Noise at Winnetka". Davey Graham heard my brother playing it, and polished it and recorded it.
Is this verifiable - it sounds like it offends the rule against 'verifiability' and 'original research' - what source can verify this comment? Dr V 10:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I've trawled the internet and can find no references to any controversy over the authorship of Angi. I propose that this section is removed. What's more, maybe it would be better if Angi got its own page? oddsenex
The fact that musicians, including Graham, hung out at the Gyre and Gimble is widely accepted but I can't quote a verifiable source. The fact that Anji includes themes from other songs (particularly the Work Song) is obvious from the music itself, and I'm sure I can find references (will check books): that ability to blend different musical ideas together is part of the genius of Davey Graham. The remainder is the testimony of Ralph Katzenell above. I thought it worth a mention but I won't try and revert a (tasteful) edit if others disagree! Bluewave 09:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Just to expand on that - Davy Graham's original Angi does not contain any section(s) relating to 'Work Song'. The Work Song addition was an invention of Bert Jansch [John Park]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.94.197 ( talk) 14:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I remember speaking with Davy in 2007 and he said that he taped Anji for Bert Jansch and added a the break from 'Work Song' on it, which Jansch threw into his recorded version - he said that this is how he knew Paul Simon initially learnt Anji from Jansch. Whether DG was pulling my leg or not (a feature common to the late great man) is a matter of conjecture! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.250.210 ( talk) 21:52, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
This has been added today. Is it verifiable? I have checked the birth indexes for November/December 1940 and the only Graham born in Leicester was Michael A. Graham. Bluewave 17:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Davy was not born in Leicester. Davy told the crowd at a gig at the Musician Pub (Leicester)that he was born in Hinkley - which is a town near Leicester, and in the county of Leicestershire. [John Park] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.94.197 ( talk) 13:33, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
According to this newspaper article on the unveiling of a blue plaque he was born in Market Bosworth, to where his pregnant mother had been evacuted from London (it was wartime). [1]. Warwickshire Warrener ( talk) 13:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
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Someone has recently changed the cat from British guitarists to English guitarists. Given that he is half-Scots, British seems a better category, so I have changed it back. Other views welcome... Bluewave 19:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don’t have another view: I share yours…— Ian Spackman 23:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Both spellings abound, sometimes in the same web page. In the article we have things like a link to "Davey Graham's website" which is www.davygraham.com. Graham himself is not much help: the Terrascope interview cited in the article includes "Q: I've often wondered, should 'Davey' be spelled with an 'e' or without an 'e'? A: I used to be called Davie because Angie spelled her name with an 'i'. I didn't know 'Angiography' was the study of blood vessels, did you? Actually, I'd rather be called 'Dave'. I'm not too concerned about the 'e', or the 'y' either." Can anyone offer a convincing rationale for Davy or Davey? Bluewave 13:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
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An anon claims that the drugs claims are unsubstantiated and libelous; the Guardian article (provided as reference) was withdrawn due to factual errors, and that Graham was never booked to go Australia.
This is a WP:BLP issue.
I don't see any link to the Guardian article. The Guardian's website has articles dated earlier than 2003. Since the article provided as reference was published in 2005, it should be present on the Guardian website, if not withdrawn.
Any comments?
I've removed the disputed content, until somebody provides a better, accessible source. utcursch | talk 14:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The BBC Radio 2 "Whatever Happened to Davey Graham?" (2005, no longer available on the BBC website) includes Martin Carthy's recollection of Graham's deliberate choice to take up heroin and his openness about his drug use--Carthy reports that Graham talked about how much he enjoyed getting high and that he registered as an addict with the National Health. Other contemporaries confirm that and what it did to his playing and stagecraft. In Dazzling Stranger (2001), Colin Harper calls Graham "a drug-sozzled Icarus" (p. 190) and also quotes Carthy on Graham's decision in the 1960s to "become a junkie" (p. 155). This stuff is not exactly news, and while it would be nice to think that Graham is now embarrassed by it, that's not reason enough to suppress published, well-researched information--especially when it helps to explain what became of a brilliant and influential player who dropped out of sight for so long. RLetson ( talk) 20:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 22:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The article has been in need of repair for some time. With the Times obituary to hand, I have had a go at improving it. The main things I've done are:
Is anyone able to shed light on the reliability of the claim, apparently in the Guardian article, that DG was booked to go to Australia but did not arrive? At least one off Wikipedia source states that the story is a fabrication. The Guardian is not a relatively reliable broadsheet. It would be wise to remove this reference from the article pending clarification. -- Zanthorp ( talk) 16:02, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Pilgrim's article included in the After Hours CD lists film appearances, a "special performance" for Elizabeth Taylor, and the cult following that Davey attracted playing at the Troubadour. None of this is included in the article. Does anyone object to using Pilgrim's article as a source and including this info in the article? -- Zanthorp ( talk) 16:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC) Correction: film appearances are listed. -- Zanthorp ( talk) 16:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
A proposed addition to the 3rd paragraph under 'Early life and success' - please feel free to edit and /or comment.--
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07:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
In the early 1960s Elizabeth Taylor invited him play at parties on the French Riviera after she encountered him busking in the Paris Metro.[5] At the Troubadour Club in London he attracted a 'cult' following.[Davey Graham After Hours, John Pilgrim]
Holly Gwinn has a website at - http://www.hollygwinngraham.com/pages/davey.php which includes a short account of her life with Davey Graham. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.249.178.112 ( talk) 13:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)