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I have created this talk page to discuss the merits of the Dale Dubin article I created. It was speedied by DGG, and remained deleted after discussion on the article's talk page (now deleted), my talk page, and DGG's talk page. I appealed to WP:DRV but deletion was upheld here. After several admins refused or failed to userfy the content for me, I re-created the article from memory in my userspace, expanded as much as I could, and added more citations. Before I seek re-creation again, I would like community input. Should it be undeleted? Please opine below. - Draeco ( talk) 15:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
What is left to be recovered from the deleted article history? More importantly, what is a plastic surgeon doing writing cardiology textbooks? Could you have conflated two different MDs with similar names? -- Una Smith ( talk) 16:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I lean towards leaving it deleted. I have not seen enough to suggest this person is notable enough for an article. I can be convinced otherwise if I see enough evidence of notablity.-- Literaturegeek | T@1k? 02:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I am familiar with Dubin's work, which I agree is highly notable. I think that an article about the book would be well-justified. Once that's fleshed out, an article on the person may (or may not) seem well-justified. Those who know the book probably find it easier to understand the difference between his specialty and the subject of the book: all doctors are expected to be able to interpret ECGs at a basic level, but cardiologists would tend to write a far-too-detailed treatise on the subject. My sense is that this smart plastic surgeon developed a practical, basic approach that has helped many thousands of health professionals. Could be a lesson for people in many fields... -- Scray ( talk) 16:02, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I think the guy is notable for good & bad reasons.
Good: He wrote what is the standard textbook of EKG interpretation (Rapid Interpretation of EKGs [1]), which has been translated into many languages. I, personally, have a copy of the book-- and it is what I'd recommend to any one that has an interest in learning how to read EKGs.
Bad: The guy is notable for being a convicted pedophile. [2] [3]
The Florida medical board has a record of him -- that seems to match the stories about him losing his license and going to prison. Based on what I've read, he was a plastic surgeon.
Nephron T| C 18:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Per the suggestions of Scray (above) and several editors in the previous delete/keep discussions, I have first created a related article on Dubin's most famous book, Rapid Interpretation of EKG's. - Draeco ( talk) 02:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I would like to move the article Dale Dubin from a user's space to the main space. A discussion was started in 2009, but this died out. Discussion at User talk:Draeco/Dubin
I was looking for Dale Dubin, having read the Dutch translation of his book, like all medical students at Maastricht University, The Netherlands. I think it would be good to have an article about this person. I have found a discussion on a deleted article from 2009 that tended towards restoring, with some extra thought.
The article "Dale Dubin" was speedied by DGG, and remained deleted after discussion on the article's talk page (now deleted), the author's talk page, and DGG's talk page. Draeco, the author, appealed to WP:DRV but deletion was upheld here. After several admins refused or failed to userfy the content Draeco re-created the article and expanded it with more citation. The last request for comment (I think it was a request for comment, at User talk:Draeco/Dubin), seemed to be in favor of restoring, with the creation of the best known book he has written and more citations in the main space. The article about the book has been created a long time ago, Rapid Interpretation of EKG's, and the new article has enough references, I have added one myself. Please give your opinion on moving this article to the main article space. Thank you for your time, Taketa ( talk) 17:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Suggestion: Bring this up to WP:BLP standards first. The EKG book is, but the arrest and conviction on pron charges should not be given undue weight. Remove such terms as "infamy" and remove primary sources (FL license). EKG book is still an Amazon major seller. And can you find out more about the person besides the porn and book? Collect ( talk) 11:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Remark: It has been two weeks. I would like to thank everybody for their input. Comments were given on bringing the negative sections and sources up to WP:BLP standards and expanding the article. Most remarks seem to support moving, or not object it. The suggested changes have been made, and since expending is not vital, I have moved the article to the mainspace following WP:BOLD. Thank you very much for your time. Sincerely,
Taketa (
talk)
09:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)