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Reorder in some logical order. dkosopedia and yearlykos should be at the bottom.
Figure out what to do with the huge list of celebrity diarists. (i.e. delete it)
Move controversial things into a Controversy section instead of them being strewn about.
Add new section or reworked its political activity section by adding site's current ideological goals with historical ones before its deleted from history.
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edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.
Please add to the section "Nonpartisan polling":
Extended content
In March 2018, Markos Moulitsas launched Civiqs, a nonpartisan online polling and analytics company that conducts public opinion research by polling a nationally representative online survey panel on a daily basis.[1][2] Daily Kos commissions monthly polls through Civiqs.[3]
Using as a reference:
Smith, Ben. "The Founder Of Daily Kos Just Launched A Massive New Polling Project". BuzzFeed News. Retrieved 5 August 2019.
"What We Offer". Civiqs. Retrieved 5 August 2019.
Fiddler, Carolyn. "Kos Media Launches Civiqs Polling and Analytics". Daily Kos. Retrieved 5 August 2019.
Reason: To add information that Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas founded his own polling and analytics company. This is important because it provides Wikipedia readers with a better understanding of what Daily Kos does in terms of political activities -- in this instance, commissioning political polling to provide their readers with insight into what Americans think about certain political issues and candidates. It also explains the relationship between Daily Kos and Civiqs.
There are many Wikipedia pages that share similar information or sections. Even though information about Civiqs is on Markos' Wikipedia page, seeing as Markos also owns Daily Kos, which has a relationship with Civiqs, it would make sense to explain Daily Kos' relationship to Civiqs here as well.
Regarding your concerns about the sources, Markos is well known to give his email address and other contact information to many people that he meets, and it is not necessarily an indicator of his closeness with someone. Additionally, it is unclear why it is an issue to directly cite the webpage of the website that explains what the company itself does.
because it provides Wikipedia readers with a better understanding of what Daily Kos does in terms of political activities Please elaborate upon what it is, about that better understanding, which requires this cross promotion to be needed in the article? It also explains the relationship between Daily Kos and Civiqs. Please explain what it is, about that relationship between the two entities, which requires them to be cross-promoted in the article beyond the fact that the subject own them both — a fact which has already been placed in the subject's article. If the connection between the two companies is as important as the two companies claim that it is, please provide a reference to this fact which is unconnected to either of the companies and which was not provided by the subject company's owner himself in a quasi-press release-type interview with BuzzFeed's Mr. Smith, the acquaintance who has known the subject "from the small world of political blogs, just a little, for years". When ready to proceed with the requested information, kindly change the {{
request edit}} template's answer parameter to read from |ans=yes to |ans=no. Spintendo01:06, 10 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Please add to the section "Nonpartisan polling":
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In March 2018, Markos Moulitsas launched Civiqs, a nonpartisan online polling and analytics company that conducts public opinion research by polling a nationally representative online survey panel on a daily basis.[1][2] Daily Kos commissions monthly polls through Civiqs.[3]
Using as a reference:
"Online Polls Are Not Created Equal". The Aspen Institute. Retrieved 13 August 2019.
"What We Offer". Civiqs. Retrieved 5 August 2019.
Fiddler, Carolyn. "Kos Media Launches Civiqs Polling and Analytics". Daily Kos. Retrieved 5 August 2019.
Reason: To add information that Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas founded his own polling and analytics company. This is important because it provides Wikipedia readers with a better understanding of what kind of work Daily Kos specifically does in terms of political activities -- in this instance, commissioning political polling to provide their readers with insight into what Americans think about certain political issues and candidates. It also explains the relationship between Daily Kos and Civiqs, which should be cross-posted for transparency and to provide the understanding that they are owned by the same individual, but are separate entities that do business with one another. Additionally, it explains where Daily Kos pulls their polling data from, which they use in news articles, press releases, etc.
The Aspen Planning and Evaluation Program is a consultant agency and is not a reliable secondary source. To add this item to the article, please add references which come from non-promotional, reliable, secondary sources unconnected to the subject organizations themselves. Regards, Spintendo22:32, 14 August 2019 (UTC)reply
There is an important section on Markos Moulitsas’ Wikipedia page that isn’t on this page for some reason:
"Since its creation Daily Kos has grown to become the largest liberal community blog in the United States, with over 2.3 million registered users and 8 million unique viewers per month as of July 2018.[1]
Reason for adding to this page: This is relevant information that exists on Markos Moulitsas' Wikipedia page, but is very relevant (or even more so) to this page given that it is directly about Daily Kos. These paragraphs discuss the growth of the website and detail important political figures who have participated on the site, thus providing a better understanding of the kinds of voices that Daily Kos has been a platform for in the American political sphere since its creation.
Daily Kos doesn't claim to be "center left" anymore. They're more of a "third way" or even center-right website now, and they even criticize ideas and figures that are too "left".
I think that it should be far-left if we are to be fair regardless of how Daily Kos claims to be. Most media bias rating sites have them at the opposite of end of the horseshoe from publications like OANN which is classified as far-right on Wikipedia. It seems to present a non-neutral point of view and one that isn't based on facts.
Davidgarcia84 (
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22:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC)reply
My argument wasn't based off specific sources calling them far-left but rather that the classification of far anything should be applied across the board equally. I don't consider this chart [1] to be from an especially reliable source but it's pretty representative of where most media bias checkers are consistently rating outlets. Daily Kos is generally always ranked as a mirror of conservative outlets like OANN & Daily Caller. Which are labeled from consensus on Wikipedia to be far-right. If you specifically require a source saying they are "far-left" I will see if I can find appropriate documentation and edit it into my reply.
Davidgarcia84 (
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22:24, 24 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Muboshgu Alright so all the major media bias ranking sites being Allsides[2] and Media Bias Fact Check [3]give Daily Kos the furthest left rating and the chart that I used from earlier that I was unsure of the reliability I found was referenced on a few .edu institutions. So I will take that as acceptable. So not only has Daily Kos been applied the furtest left-wing rating possible it is objectively the opposite of outlets we label far-right such as OANN. I think this is fair to be given the label of far-left. — Preceding
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22:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Ezlev, It would seem on examination that most sites that rank media bias are done through crowdsourcing to gauge public opinion as public opinion usually decides what is far outside the mainstream political discourse. Do you have any examples of sources that are deemed acceptable by consensus as I imagine they would be the same. Also those were not the only sources used.
Davidgarcia84 (
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22:58, 24 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Davidgarcia84, are those even considered reliable here? They say "left", not "far left". "Furthest left" doesn't mean "far left". And how they rate OANN doesn't matter on this page. The reliable sources I see either call Daily Kos
"left wing" or
"liberal". I'm fine with either of those descriptors, as I think "center left" is inaccurate. –
Muboshgu (
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23:00, 24 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Mubogshu, in what world is Buzzfeed a reliable source? The Washington Post is generally a scrupulous and well-indended publication, but you have only provided one source labeling it "left." If OANN is described as far-right, and the Daily Kos is on the opposite of that spectrum according to thousands of people who say so, would that not be more reliable than two people writing two articles for two news organizations?
wolf (
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23:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Mubogshu, I'd be fine with left-wing but make no mistake how we classify other media sources like OANN does matter. Because if two sites are commonly held to be in public opinion "two sides of the same ideological coin" and you give one a moniker that labels it as far or extreme and the other not it gives the appearance of bias which we have a problem with on Wikipedia.
Davidgarcia84 (
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23:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Davidgarcia84, this is the talk page for Daily Kos. It is for discussing Daily Kos. OANN has its own talk page, which is for discussing that network. Daily Kos is not the "flipside of the ideological coin" from OANN. –
Muboshgu (
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00:17, 25 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Mubogshu, Measured public opinion disagrees with you that they are not equivalents. I'd concede that may not be enough to suffice in this instance. But I think generally it's public opinion that shapes what is far outside the norm or within the Overton window.
Davidgarcia84 (
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00:27, 25 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Davidgarcia84 et al: I've removed the disputed phrasing entirely, as it's redundant; the site is already characterized as focusing on "liberal American politics" later in the same sentence. That characterization is sourced, reasonable, and does not contradict content from the rest of the article. warmly,
ezlev.talk23:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Ezlev, I agree it was redundant and appreciate you cleaning it up but I made the edit of saying left-wing American politics since that's the consensus term that Mubogshu agreed with as well. Let me know if you disagree
Davidgarcia84 (
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00:23, 25 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Davidgarcia84, liberal is not synonymous with left-wing, and the sources which are currently cited all say liberal. Describing the Daily Kos as left-wing based on sources which describe it as liberal is
original research. I haven't reverted your change because I want to avoid violating 3RR, but I'd appreciate it if you changed it back yourself in accordance with Wikipedia policy. warmly,
ezlev.talk01:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.
Please add:
New section: "Advocacy"
Daily Kos is involved in progressive advocacy, and regularly organizes people to make phone calls and send letters to their elected officials on a variety of issues and legislation. The organization also delivers petitions to elected officials' offices.[1]
I've removed a "guest blogger" section sourced entirely to the website. Frankly this article on the whole suffers from improper reliance on sourcing not indepdent of the website, and this leads to a promotional tone.
Coretheapple (
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17:31, 7 May 2021 (UTC)reply
^Budak, Ceren; Goel, Sharad; Rao, Justin M. (1 April 2016).
"Fair and Balanced? Quantifying Media Bias through Crowdsourced Content Analysis". Public Opinion Quarterly. 80 (S1): 250–271.
doi:
10.1093/poq/nfw007. Retrieved 13 April 2022. This list includes outlets that are commonly believed to span the ideological spectrum, with the two blogs constituing the likely endpoints (Daily Kos on the left, and Breitbart on the right)... For example, the Breitbart News Network is the most right-leaning outlet, and the Daily Kos is the most left-leaning outlet in our set.
^Solomon, Deborah (19 March 2006).
"Kos Célèbre". The New York Times. Retrieved 13 April 2022. As the founder of the left-leaning Daily Kos, the largest political blog in the country, did you find it hard to write "Crashing the Gate," an actual book, as opposed to your usual raw and episodic three-sentence musings?
^Baum, Matthew A.; Groeling, Tim (25 November 2008).
"New Media and the Polarization of American Political Discourse". Political Communication. 25 (4): 345–365.
doi:
10.1080/10584600802426965. Retrieved 13 April 2022. For each day in our sample, we also collect ed stories from four other Internet news sources: the wire services' own "top news" pages, Fox News Channel's political news feed, and the front pages of the conservative blog Free Republic and liberal blog Daily Kos... Daily Kos on the left and Free Republic and Fox News on the right demonstrate clear and strong preferences for news stories that benefit the party most closely associated with their own ideological orientations.
^Yudkin, Daniel; Hawkins, Stephen; Dixon, Tim (June 2019).
The Perception Gap: How False Impressions are Pulling Americans Apart (Report). More in Common. Retrieved 13 April 2022. This effect is even more pronounced for left-leaning sources like Slate, Buzzfeed, Daily Kos, and the Huffington Post... on the left, among progressive news and commentary sources such as Huffington Post and Daily Kos.
^Flaxman, Seth; Goel, Sharad; Rao, Justin M. (22 March 2016).
"Filter Bubbles, Echo Chambers, and Online News Consumption". Public Opinion Quarterly. 80 (S1): 298–320.
doi:
10.1093/poq/nfw006. Retrieved 13 April 2022. and the left-leaning Daily Kos... The left-leaning publications include newspapers from liberal areas, such as the San Francisco Chronicle and the NewYork Times, as well as blogs such as the Huffington Post and Daily Kos;
^Kondik, Kyle (2 February 2017).
"2018 House: The Ground Moving Under Their Feet". Sabato's Crystal Ball. UVA Center for Politics. Retrieved 13 April 2022. According to figures compiled by Daily Kos Elections, a left-leaning website
I'll be removing this from the lede if no one can demonstrate that this information is of the very highest notability. --
Hipal (
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17:08, 15 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Done.
We need context for the article body. References that simply apply the label without any further context are no help and should be removed. --
Hipal (
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15:51, 16 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Daily Kos is a political blog and its political leaning is notable. Especially when this political leaning is affirmed by several sources. I have restored the references you tried to expunge from the article.
73.154.135.120 (
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22:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)reply
An impartial editor has reviewed the proposed edit(s) and asked the editor with a conflict of interest to go ahead and make the suggested changes.
I’m starting a new request with suggestions to improve this article. I believe it addresses the numerous problems with past edit requests, like the improper use of primary sourcing and promotional language. My conflict of interest is noted on this Talk Page already. Thanks.
A. Please update the two paragraphs of the lead. This is mostly clean-up of improper citations. I very slightly rewrote the lead for concision, and replaced the primary sourcing, as well as sources that aren’t allowed by Wikipedia (like the PBS Q&A and Daily Kos article) with articles from New York Times Magazine and Rolling Stone, which are considered reliable sources by Wikipedia. I replaced the New York Times Martin article and Bloomberg article because neither source supported the cited information. I also added “progressive” to the lead, with a supporting source from the New York Times that states Daily Kos is a “progressive” blog. Additionally, I removed “glossaries and other content” from the site description since it’s not supported by the sources. Instead I provided specifics about the site’s polling and campaign data, which is supported by reliable sources. I added articles from Rolling Stone and Politico as references for the “netroots activism” sentence. I also added short ref names for all reliable sources, which had been missing from this article.
Daily Kos was founded in 2002 by
Markos Moulitsas and takes the name Kos from the last syllable of his first name, his nickname while in the military.[7]
Daily Kos was founded in 2002 by
Markos Moulitsas and takes the name Kos from the last syllable of his first name, his nickname while in the military.[10][11]
B. Change Organizational overview to History and remove the subsections titles Fundraising and Viewership and Reception.
Reason: I’m proposing this change to help better organize this article to match Wikipedia section headers of similar articles such as
Billboard (magazine) and
Virginia Argus and Hampshire Advertiser, both ranked GAs. “The usual practice is to order sections based on the precedent of similar articles.”
MOS:SNO
C. In the new History section, add as the first paragraph:
Reason: This information is currently missing from the History section. Changed the previous language to focus on a standard part of an organization’s history - the founder.
D. In the new History section, replace the current the second paragraph (now the first paragraph under the “Funding subsection”: Currently, the source used is from the Daily Kos, which is primary and not supported by Wikipedia sourcing standards. I rewrote the sentence to remove all primary sourcing/attribution, to reflect the information provided by supporting sources, and to better match Wikipedia sentence style. Adds Politico and The New York Times as reliable sources.
E. Replace this paragraph in the new History section (currently the second paragraph under “Funding”) that says:
During the 2020
COVID-19 pandemic, the Kos Media received between $1 million and $2 million in federally-backed small business loans from
Newtek Small Business Finance as part of the Paycheck Protection Program. The organization said it would help them retain 86 employees.[18][19]
With:
During the 2020
COVID-19 pandemic, Daily Kos owner Kos Media LLC received $1.4 million in federally-backed small business loans from Newtek Small Business Finance as part of the
Paycheck Protection Program.[18][19]
Reason: Updates the first sentence to correct the amount of money from the PPP loan, adds PPP internal link, and removes the broken link for Newtek Small Business Finance. I also removed the second sentence “The organization said it would help them retain 86 employees” - that declaration from the organization was not stated in either source.
F. In the new History section, before the paragraph that starts “In an October 2018
Simmons Research survey of 38 news organizations…”
Add:
In 2018, the Daily Kos launched Civiqs, a division of the blog that provides political polling data from volunteer participants.[20][21][22]
Reason: I’ve changed the language and added independent secondary references, as requested by a previous editor. Civiqs is a substantial division of Daily Kos that provides polling data cited in national and local media outlets including Slate,[20] National Review[23] and the San Antonio Express-News.[21] A couple, supporting, non-biased or connected sources that mention Daily Kos’s Civiqs division and the relationship include the San Antonio Express News and Topeka Capital-Journal, cited in the addition above.
G. After the paragraph that starts “In an October 2018
Simmons Research survey of 38 news organizations…”, please add a new paragraph:
In 2019 Prism, an independent, non-profit publication focused on covering injustice from the perspective of underrepresented groups, became an affiliate publication of the Daily Kos.[24][25]
Reason for adding: The addition of Prism as an affiliate of Daily Kos was reported by top publications that cover the world of journalism.
H. In the “Polling” subsection, please add as a new third paragraph:
The Daily Kos Elections tracked redistricting in the United States,[26] forecasted Electoral College results,[27] and provided polling data for elections.[28][29]
^"Interviews - Markos Moulitsas". Frontline.
PBS.
Archived from the original on September 9, 2018. Retrieved September 9, 2018. Now, there are guidelines. Obviously you have the usual sexist, racist type of things, but it's also a Democratic site. So if Republicans want to come in and create trouble, they're not going to last very long.
Go ahead: I have reviewed these proposed changes and suggest that you go ahead and make the proposed changes to the page. The proposed changes are mostly good and I suppose that you simply go ahead. Best regards, --
Johannes (
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Johannes Thanks so much for reviewing these changes and authorizing their implementation! I’m also at Daily Kos, and I have implemented the changes as per your authorization because the original poster is no longer with us. If there’s anything else you need me to do at this point please let me know. Thanks again!
Gustywinds42 (
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21:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Hi
CX Zoom and
Johannes, Thanks again for your help! One last thing: I’ve now realized that even after the recent changes that have been made by me and others to this article, there’s still a flag at the top of this article from May 2021 saying that it “relies excessively on references to primary sources.” Since the article’s changed a lot since that time and many new secondary sources have been added, would you please consider taking off the flag as it really isn’t applicable anymore? Thanks!
Gustywinds42 (
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16:58, 13 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Of the several sources on the article, #25, #40, #42 are primary sources, but it is no longer excessive, so I'm removing the tag. —CX Zoom[he/him](
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