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A user decided to change the pressure to 941 because ATCF/JTWC said. Yet the RSMC (FMS) says 955 and RSMC's what we're going with, correct? (I reverted the edit in question) ~
AC5230 (
talk)
14:35, 4 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Per the
tropical cyclone WikiProject's sourcing guidelines, "Reports, bulletins, and other products issued by Regional Specialized Meteorological Centers are the authoritative source on meteorological information pertaining to tropical cyclones in their respective basins." Thus, FMS's figures have higher precedence than JTWC's, and 955 should be the infobox value. —
TheAustinMan(
Talk ⬩
Edits)18:45, 4 April 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Hurricaneboy23: I know that you dont give a flying about my opinion but my reasoning is justified as the satellite loop does not show Harolds full journey through and around Vanuatu. It opens just after the system has made landfall on Espirtu Santo and closes after its made landfall on Pentecost. As a result, I feel it is pretty useless and does not need to be in the article, especially since as plenty of articles do not have any satellite loop. If you can not do this because its too big in file space then that gives me even more justification to say that it isnt needed. Also please take note of
WP:Civil &
WP:BRD as it is your responsibility to get a consensus on wiki for the loop to be needed since you only created it this afternoon.
Jason Rees (
talk)
19:13, 7 April 2020 (UTC)reply
The satellite loop is perfectly acceptable. It doesn't have to cover everything if that's not the focus of it. You're placing your own view upon the loop rather than what it's already showing, which is the second bout of rapid intensification and its stronger landfall. ~
Cyclonebiskit (
chat)
18:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I don't know if we can say "rapid intensification", because according to JTWC and FMS it didn't meet the criteria (FMS only raised the wind 5 knots, JTWC 20 knots, during that time), even though we know perfectly well what happened in reality (115 knots or so to 150 knots at landfall).--
Jasper Deng(talk)19:19, 10 April 2020 (UTC)reply
After previously opposing this loop, I'm shifting my stance to neutral. This loop isn't particularly high-quality and licensing could be an issue with RAMMB, but it does underscore how much JTWC underestimated the landfall intensity on Pentecost (they need to add an asynoptic point for 150 knots at 8z).--
Jasper Deng(talk)20:01, 10 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Im sorry to be a party pooper to try and have higher standards for the article but I don't see what the point in having a satellite loop in this article is if it's just for part of April 5-6. It would be a lot better for it to show either its whole life or the whole of its journey through Vanuatu from before its first landfall to well after its second landfall. If we cant do this then I don't see what the point of having it in the article is.
Jason Rees (
talk)
20:43, 10 April 2020 (UTC)reply
It already shows its journey across Vanuatu quite well, it shows both landfalls and how it intensifies throughout the landfalls. Also @
Jasper Deng: Many articles have RAMMB loops in them, including
Cyclone Tino and
Typhoon Phanfone, which also have the same copyright tags. It is suitable. Hurricaneboy23(page) *
(talk)21:23, 10 April 2020 (UTC)reply
The impact section for Vanuatu section is quite large already, and a good quarter of it discusses the aftermath (aid by other countries, other info about how the country is recovering) and I think the paragraph near the end of the Vanuatu subsection in Impacts, as well as the end paragraph for the Fiji subsection, could fit quite well in an "Aftermath" section, as more and more countries come to aid Vanuatu and we learn more of the devastating effects from the powerful cyclone. Hurricaneboy23(page) *
(talk)16:54, 27 April 2020 (UTC)reply