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Can one include more article text and delete more external links ?? Mac
a clear photo would be better. it does little to show what a velotaxi looks like. it would be ok if the taxi was clear and the backgroud blurred, that would show the velotaxi in motion on a street, rather than a street with a velotaxi passing through.
The article says They have been banned in Pakistan since the 50s/60s, which is it? 50s or 60s? and why are they banned? Edward 22:10, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Hi to all,
I changed the fotos at the right and also the big rickshaw photo to a very nice one.
External links: I am working at this sector and think that all of them are important... But anyway. I will check them again.
Gerald (Trixi)
{reason for move} -- 80.58.33.170 13:32, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The word "Velotaxi" is a registered trademark and the usual name for this kind of vehicle is PEDICAB.
The redirection Pedicab to Velotaxi is not correct. It should be vice versa.
As a former Veloform brand pedicab operator in New York City, I can verify Velotaxi and BicyTaxi, are registered trademarks that represent brand name of companies operating pedicabs or rickshaws featured in the German photo on this page. The make and model of the tricycle featured is "Veloform" and "City Cruiser" [1], respectively. These Velotaxi/BicyTaxi pedicabs are also designed and promoted as an outdoor advertising medium. In New York City both common names are used to describe these passenger tricycles. The local government uses "pedicab" in the currently suspended law to regulate the industry. I will be fair in my editing to represent these concepts properly. The Velotaxi to pedicab redirection is acceptable, while the pedicab to Velotaxi redirection would be incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.134.112 ( talk) 00:47, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Either that, or make a separate article on Cycle Rickshaws. This is because Velotaxi is a commercial name for a particular make of vehicle, while Cycle rickshaws are more common and prevalent term used in practice. In Bangladesh, there are almost 100,000 cycle rickshaws running in the capital Dhaka alone. And the term cycle rickshaw, or more commonly just Rickshaw is used to name those vehicles. -- Ragib 23:09, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I agree - it should be "Cycle Rickshaw" or Pedicab.
Saludos Gerald (Trixi)
Thank you for doing the change. Now it is ok.
Why is it the ideograms for trishaw are at the top, while other foreign entries get mentioned further down? Is the trishaw such a uniquely Japanese/Chinese thing? IMHO, move it or lose it. Trekphiler 13:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I think this is interesting/necessary, partly because the article as written focusses on Asian pedicab design and sociological stuff, and it's quite a different scenario in "First World" countries; I noted the syntax of the London/Covent Garden-Soho mention and thought, well, time for a comprehensive list of known pedicab haunts in the US, Canada and Europe, and maybe some exegesis on their "culture" and some of the athletic/injury considerations. I am a veteran of Vancouver's Expo 86-era pedicab fleet (60 bikes plus 10 "trails" - trailer-doubles) and also was the stalwart nutcase who tried to start the world's first winter pedicab fleet in Whistler, BC (with studded tires) in '87-'88 (right idea, wrong place...should have done it in Aspen...). I'm posting this draft list here as I'm not sure of the status of certain fleets; the list shouldn't be relocated to the main page until it's been vetted by others familiar with the cities cited. Skookum1 18:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Don't forget:
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Hi to all: I added a link to "Cycle Rickshaw": www.rickshawforum.com. It is forum (english + german) and includes also the most complete directory of manufacturers & operators in the world.
Reading the San Diego controversy was interesting; seems to be carefully avoiding POV but could use tightening and linguistic editing. Got me remembering some of the issues with the way the Vancouver fleet was run - "gouging" was a big problem (overcharging) and at first it was limited to a small cadre of veteran riders; they'd extort passengers with ridiculous fares like $100 for two blocks; but they' get it, partly because they knew how to pick their customers. This opposite to others of us who rode like wild animals and charged the set rate ($0.75/blk or $60/hr) and actually were silly enough to declare all our take at the garage (commission system rather than rental, as in Victoria); the gougers would always find what the range other riders were pulling during the shift and declare about 80% of that when they came in, pocketing the rest. But it made it hard on the rest of us, as it caused a "hard sell" atmosphere. Then, at one point mid-season one of the guys on what we called the East Gate Shuttle - the Expo East Gate to Chinatown and Gastown, about half a mile on the flat (flat terrain is rare in Vancouver riding) and using the double cabs described in my other ramble above (should be a pic on www.kabukikabs.com) - made over $200 legitimate bucks in one six-hour shift. The bosses called the newspaper and Luc got a full-page spread, beefy legs and franco-canadien grin reclining fat-cat in his cab, with an article about what great bucks it was. Within the week there were a few hundred new kids signed up, none of whom really wanted to ride but wanted to make the big bucks; and there were gougers to give them the clue as to how to get away with it. So you had this situation where experienced riders, with legs like rhinos, couldn't get shifts because all the new guys had booked up all available cabs; and the reason the bosses liked this was because there was a deposit and a uniform fee. 500 guys x 100 bucks is a lot of money, huh? So the bosses were less concerned with our commission take (still wanting it, though) than they were in enlisting new riders; and they weren't particular if they stayed around or not, because turnover was always a good thing as there'd always be more guys wanting to sign up; but then they found out, once on their bikes, that they didn't have sales skills, didn't know the city, didn't know where we were allowed to ride (or where we could get away with if not allowed, such as the perimeter road around the Expo site, Pacific Boulevard), and didn't want to ride hills. Which, in Vancouver, means you just can't go anywhere; everywhere is uphill, especially from the Expo site. So that's part of my story; I'd come to West Gate (foot of Drake at Pacific, for anyone who knows Vancouver; now core area of Yaletown and there were five or six rookies sitting there in the pedicab stall, not wanting to take two young student reporters from neighbouring Bellingham, Washington uptown because it was uphill. I was the bull-jock of the fleet, or one of them, and purdy pissed off about this laziness on the part of the rookies, so - especially because it was reporters - I gave the rookies mild shit and told the two young Yanks to get in, and started up towards town; no problem, and the hill not a biggie by my standards; but I hadn't stopped for lunch or to stretch; which I was intending to have done at West Gate. Approaching a corner left-turn (one-way to one-way) that I wanted to take, which had a big depression in the angle of the corner (Homer at Smithe, again for those who know Vancouver), I did a standard sit-down-stand-up routine to shift the derailleur (non-SIS so you had to take the weight off the pedals, even momentarily); but I did it mid-corner, with my body twisted as I did it. I felt a twang on the inside of my right hip; oh shit, I went, but I still had the pump going and got them the next four or five blocks to the corner of Howe or Hornby or Smithe or whatever it was and let them off. I knew I had to go to the garage, which luckily was downhill all the way to Gastown (in a back alley in the 00-block between Cordova and Hastings; even then a "shooting gallery" for junkies and filled with assorted, garbage, fornicating drunks and what-not; behind the very worst strip of Skid Road and now fully part of it); I booked out the cab, commented I'd been injured, and headed for the Fleet Captain's place to crash, as I knew I wouldn't be able to ride my Ritchey home to the North Shore (a choice of two big, steep bridges and about six miles). I slept with my legs up on his chair overnight; standard treatment for back/hip injury; but when I got up in the morning I couldn't stand, couldn't walk; too me half an hour to go to the corner, a full two hours to make it three blocks to a chiro's who couldn't treat me as I was seized up so much....really long story, agonizing pain, temporary debilitation although I did return to work for the rest of the summer; but after the work ended atrophy set in and my spinal collapse/hip pain got to acute levels, and stayed that way. Shit is that when I left work that fall, I was accused by the bosses of withhholding commissions; the reality was that I wasn't able to ride as much or as hard, and the big grin on my face wasn't as naturally there as it had been before; so bad for sales. Eventually this argument won out with Umemployment Insurance; but I got screwed by Compo and my life derailed in too long and grueling a fashion to tell y'all about here. But all because, essentially, the bosses didn't respect the riders they had, and got into cash-for-the-sake-of-cash with the rookie rider thing, and exploited the deposit system to their best advantage, but to no one else's. OK, OK, business is business; but reading about what's going on in San Diego brought some of this back; when we first started up those of us who knew the city were hired to give lessons to those who didn't, and also in p.r.; but that the gougers included one of the bosses' brother and his best friends made the gouging thing acceptable, and set the stage for the "lazy, know-nothing rookie" thing. Not that those Turkish guys aren't good guys (Merhaba!!), only that the company hiring them should take the time to show them around, teach them sales and penalize them if they're caught gouging. Part of that means the public has to be made aware of the issue, and the bosses have to respond and deal with it if a complaint is made.... Skookum1 21:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
PS we had a lot of characters in that fleet, and a lot of wild stories; we used to joke about "Pedicab: The Movie" and it's not such a bad idea I think.....a couple of our most successful riders never charged a fare, only saying "pay me what you want". And in every ride they gave, they got more than the other legitimate (non-gouger) riders who either ballparked or charged the flat-rate plus tip. And then there was Big Mel; fascinating talker, charismatic, who would so entertain his guests/clients that they'd want to take him to the bar; "fine, so long as you pay my hourly". So Mel got $60/hr PLUS to go hang out and have some beers and chew the fat all afternoon.....but ya gotta have style/character to pull that one off. Then there were the dares - one big handsome stud with legs that belonged on an elephant - rode the very-gay Davie Street strip at peak hour for $200 bucks, buck-naked; straight though he was, butt pumping away for all to enjoy. And the dare I took, riding up the lower part of Davie from English Bay on a dare from a drunken cougar, towing her meat out of the bar (Balthazar now), who didn't believe I could climb THAT hill (oh yeah, tough, but oh yeah); boy was she pissed off when I made it to the top of the hill and she had to fork over the $60 (for about four blocks). That wasn't gouging; that was WORK. Skookum1 21:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I've removed this section; as it stands now it's unreferenced original research, and is hence unencyclopedic. Even with sources, that level of detail about a frankly common labor controversy in a single US city just doesn't belong in an article about cycle rickshaws in general. It's really important to keep in mind that the vast majority of rickshaws in the world are found in Asia; I'm guessing, but 98 percent is probably reasonable, as anyone who's ever seen a rickshaw jam in the streets of Dhaka can attest. This isn't to say that wealthy-country rickshaws shouldn't be mentioned, using published sources - they exist, and are different from their Asian counterparts in interesting ways. But giving undue weight to the issues and equipment of the relatively minor North American or European rickshaw operations is a manifestation of systemic bias, and hence isn't neutral. For the same reason, I'd be opposed to the detailed list of North American rickshaw fleets above being moved to the article, even though it's interesting. We wouldn't consider including such list for India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and other places where they're widespread - it would overwhelm the article - so we shouldn't include it for the US and Canada. CDC (talk) 19:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the commercial links to various company websites. These do not add anything to the article, and are contrary to wikipedia's policies on external links. -- Ragib 07:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunatly you deleted also the Rickshawforum.com for the link list. It is a NON-COMMERCIAL site. For me it seems to be ok to do a clean up of the link list as everybody trys to promote their products, but have in mind that Rickshawforum.com is the number 1 platform for the small world of pedicabbers.
Thank you
Gerald (Trixi)
The March 2007 edition of the Smithsonian presented an article about the improvements and globalization of pedicart transport. I split the global discussion off from the introduction and included some about the article's look at rickshaws in NYC. [2] Mredden 03:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, the main problem is that almost every statement is unreferenced.
Earlier on this page someone said that reasons of ban in Pakistan were their backward perception and traffic congestion problems. That is not true because animal drafted carts and traditional Tanga have similar problems (plus unmanaged excretions of animals), but those were not banned and are widely used in many areas of Pakistan even today.
The primary reason of cycle rickshaws ban in Pakistan was their perceived role in spreading Tuberculosis, which turned out to have some scientific weight [3]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnyaseen ( talk • contribs) 05:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
While I placed Kabuki Kabs in the "in operation" (formerly "where they are prevalent") section, fact is they're also regulated; as also I'm sure with other companies in the first section; I'm really not sure of the distinction; I put Vancouver in the regulated section because I know the regulations; there's about 10 Tikki Tikki pedicabs in operation now and there might be some "solo artists". Essentially I don't think these two sections should be separate, unless those in the first are meant to be "entirely unregulated" which doesn't seem likely in any major city; licensing/insurance regs you'd think would be common, as well as street restrictions and so on. There's other Canadian cities, I'm not sure which - Winnipeg and Montreal I think, maybe Ottawa also. Laughlin, Nevada used to be the "winter training" operation for the company that ran Expo '86; not sure if they're still there but if they're banned in Vegas maybe they are at Laughlin too (maybe it's Lake Havasu City, we always called it Laughlin). Waikiki used to have a huge fleet, rife with prostitution and drug-dealing problems or so I've heard; are they banned there now? Skookum1 ( talk) 14:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I have removed a number of commercial links being used to reference specific cities. The links obviously do not meet WP:RS. Since Wikipedia is not a directory, a link to DMOZ would be a better way to provide links to specific cities and sites. Flowanda | Talk 11:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I feel that the article has become dominated by the volume North American section - as originally an asian form of transport - perhaps there may be a need for a sub-article of the pedicab outside of The Asian origins? Any thoughts? Satu Suro 11:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I fail to understand the usefullness of the Cities in North America where pedicabs are in operationsection, and would be only too happy to see it removed outright. How do others feel about it? What is the usefullness of keeping it if there are people wanting to keep it?-- Keithonearth ( talk) 01:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
The other way would to be perhaps think of Rickshaws in Asia - and Rickshaw use outside of Asia Satu Suro 08:54, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, Done! I'll watch the Rickshaws Outside Asia page for spam, I hope others do too. I've copied all the relevent content over but it looks even more in need of editing now that it's a page by itself. (I'm thinking of the lists, mixed with prose and in point form. Also the section title "A global concept" never made sense to me) I hope others take a look and do some work on it. -- Keithonearth ( talk) 04:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Administrator Ckatz has protected this article for flimsy and vindictive reasons. She has done a similar thing in an article Air well. Her inappropriate behavior can be seen [4]. It is requested that some administrator should unlock this article.
59.95.9.117 ( talk) 03:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
There are two of them, one in the general section and one in the "Phillipines" section. It is the same photo, should we remove one of them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.43.73.98 ( talk) 02:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
The info apparently has a proper source, but as a local inhabitant I know the text presents severe inaccuracies.
Correct: cycle rickshaws are indeed very widespread in Toamasina.
Wrong: Toamasina is not a hilly area. It's an almost completely flat seaside plain. The nearest hill is dozens of miles away.
Wrong: in Madagascar, cycle rickshaws are mostly used in flat areas. In hilly areas like Antananarivo or Antsirabe, normal rickshaws are favored.
I was tempted to modify the article by myself, but am unable to find acceptable sources to back up the changes. Any help would be welcome.