This is hopelessly in-universe, and the two cited references are from a preview that pretty much repeats promotional material verbatim and a guide to playing the game.
Supreme Commander#Cybran Nation is much closer to how this should be covered, and other than recapping the plot and setting in extreme detail, this article does nothing useful that isn't done there. -
A Man In Bl♟ck (
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22:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)reply
The article is currently in-universe, but not hopelessly so. If it wasn't so late, I'd edit it myself now. Allow the article some time before making it a redirect.
The article is not a guide to playing the game. It currently contains no information for playing the game, rather more detailed information on the background of this race than the Supreme Commander article should (and does).
Some future improvements that could be made are, for example, comparisons to real-world technologies, adding a list of available units (notably, the 'experimental' units which are a major feature of the game) and information about the Cybran campaign.
The cited reference is a guide to playing the game.
Comparisons to real-world tech would be original research. A list of available units would be a game guide. Information about the Cybran campaign would either be plot summary or a game guide.
In the past 30 hours, there was a small revert war on this article. At the time of writing (23:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)),
User:A Man In Black made an edit (redirecting the page to
Supreme Commander), which was reverted by
User:Scumbag. Some content was added to the page, notably two tags and two references by myself, when 24 hours later A Man In Black made the page into a redirect again, which was reverted by Scumbag, reverted back by A Man In Black, then reverted by me. Some observations:
A Man In Black's first two edits did state reasons for making his edits.
Scumbag never stated an appropiate reason for his actions.
My reasons for not making the article a redirect are:
The article is activily being worked on by
User:Scumbag. It would be wise to see if his efforts can lead to a noteworthy article, before making it into a redirect.
The subject is noteworthy, and there is information to be stated which is not in the space this article would redirect to.
This article is part of a series of articles on the game
Supreme Commander, together with
Aeon Illuminate and the currently empty page
United Earth Federation. The series as whole needs expansion, which is something I'm activily working on. (see history of Supreme Commander) Most games as noteworthy and highly rated as Supreme Commander have several articles, usually a 'List of weapons in <game>', a 'List of units in <game>' or a 'List of characters in <game>' article. For Supreme Commander, it's an article about each faction, because all characters, units, and plot information can easily be split between the factions. I plan to move information currently in the Supreme Commander article to these pages to cut down the size of the former.
Noteworthy? According to whom? The references were a preview of Supreme Commander and a game guide for Supreme Commander. I don't see that the encyclopedic content of either article (which was near zero) was so much that it couldn't fit into
Supreme Commander, per
WP:FICT.
Assume good faith please. I'm working on it, and I think Scumbag is too. I tried to assert some notability of the particular subject by adding some reviews in a hurry, but I could copy all Supreme Commander's previews and reviews at IGN, GameSpot and GameSpy if that satisfies those policies. Again, if an article doesn't satisfy a policy tag it, don't just delete and redirect. Out for the day. --
User:Krator (
tc)
23:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)reply
You may want to read
User:Scumbag/Scumpolicies. I don't see any reason to assume good faith in the face of stated bad faith.
Supreme Commander's reviews and previews don't satisfy those policies; if a faction is being mentioned, it's being mentioned as a part of the game. Why are we then separating it from being part of the game's article? -
A Man In Bl♟ck (
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23:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Okay, one last note then. Why? Because otherwise the Supreme Commander article would be too long. Like it was
before. There's information on Supreme Commander that should be on Wikipedia, that can't fit into the main article. (See the scraps in my
Sandbox. This is the case for a lot of games, and instead of making some lists, I think ordering that information by faction is a good thing. --
User:Krator (
tc)
23:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)reply
it seems to me that this is a battle of perpectives, on one hand we have black who is doing his job and following the rules, though in a rather hard handed and unyeilding way. on the other hand we have scumbag and krator who are trying to improve the article, but are runing on limited resources. but in a sence both sides are working towards the same end, making wiki a better place, so i don't see why both parties can't reach some kind of agreement. black, i've done some poking around and i know that you are a bit of an authity in these areas, even if you are a somewhat controverial one, so i would ask you what we can do to make this article more suitable, other than blanking it? i haven't seen anything from scumbag but i am sure that between krators and myself we can make this a notable article--
Manwithbrisk17:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Well, it's not so much that it needs to be blanked but that the hard work is already done. Due to the lack of real-world impact, this needs to be briefly summarized in the article on the work in which they appear. That's already done in
Supreme Commander. Normally, I'd condense the heck out of this and merge it there, but I can't see anything that that article needs that this article has. -
A Man In Bl♟ck (
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18:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I just looked at one of 'em, and it says "in a work of fiction should be covered within the article on that work of fiction. If an encyclopedic treatment of such a character (and places, concepts, etc.) causes the article on the work itself to become long, then that character can be given a separate article. Adding the relevent information into
Supreme Commander would do just that. It's the reason why we have articles pertaining to
Zerg,
Protoss,
Terran,
Global Defense Initiative,
Brotherhood of Nod,
Orc,
Human,
Undead , and why we have one for his one, the Aeon, and the UEF one which you blanked.
Scumbag21:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Which is why I haven't linked it, or pointed to it, or even mentioned it. (It's not even a very good essay.) However, I have repeatedly linked you to, and commented upon, and pointed to, and emphasized the importance of
WP:WAF. -
A Man In Bl♟ck (
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past ops)
22:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I am not here to spend my time reverting, and as you apparently are, I will just focus on the Supreme Commander article. Expect these three articles to exist within a few months, when I or any other editor gets around to making them. If they are not a redirect, someone will probably pick up writing them sooner, which was my main reason for not redirecting. See you then. Page unwatched, too, so please respond on my talk page if you feel the need to do so. --
User:Krator (
tc)
23:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply