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Is the image of the webcam really needed? It's really redundant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.129.57.41 ( talk) 10:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
IMHO, this piece is too emotional and opinionated to be considered neutral and impartial. It's a valid opinion, but inappropriate for an encyclopedia entry. Modemac
Men, ask your wives if they'd be happy to have you engage in phone sex or cybersex with someone than her. I bet the answer will be delivered with a frying pan to the head! We should mention that cybersex is generally (or "often") considered a form of infidelity. -- Ed Poor
While there are a lot more women online than there used to be, and many of them do "cyber," there are a lot of guys out there who take female "avatars" and do cybersex just to get their rocks off. And there are lots of guys out there who have cybersex, knowing that the person on the other end is a guy, and not really caring because it's just role-playing.
Just a note. User Vkem posted a large chunk of copyrighted material in this article. [1] -- mav
A small question: What's an ephebophile? --Two Halves not logged on
While I know that it is illegal for youth to participate in sex before a certain age, is it illegal for somebody to have cybersex? And if not, is it being considered? Just a question.-- Thecosmos 02:39, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
Of course the whole international law applies here too. For instance, up here i Canada you're given consent at the age of 14 (with two year law of course, 14-16, 15-17, etc. until 18). So an 18 year old in America cybering with say a 16 year old in Canada would be an international affair, and probably legal since the age of consent in Canada dictates the 16 year old has that choice. Not that anyone would really care about an 18 to 16 year old anyway. 24.86.59.67 22:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC) Currently there's no law about it, although child grooming is another matter. If you're 10 and you say you're 18, and you have cybersex, you're the one tricking somebody else. Harley Quinn hyenaholic ( talk) 23:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
This was nothing more than a pov-laden emotional rant, and while I've cleaned it up, this is not a well-written article. It needs to be significantly improved before the tag is removed. Let's write encyclopedia articles, shall we, not rambling u.s.-centric diatribes about cybersex' "emotional damage" of teens, while a huge number of adults engage in some sort of sexual interaction online, be it flirting, roleplaying or cybersex. Also, this article does not make clear that a good deal of roleplaying is not that different from standard erotic literature (albeit often very badly written). -- Zantastik talk 10:32, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Quite a while ago, I found this and it said this: "it is fun, you should try it" or it was somthing else. Did anybody see this?
This article discusses different motivations behind cybersex, but I postulate one unmentioned (inasmuch as I can see) which is that of practice... A lot of people I know enjoy the idea of cybersex as practice before one's first time, so as to get it right on the wedding night.. as long as both participants behave realistically to the best of their ability.
In "Disadvantages..." I changed the term pedophiles to underage-sex predators, because most often, police are baiting persons seeking presumably illegal sexual activities with adolescents (and not necessarily people with a sexual interest in young children.) Perhaps there is a better wording than underage-sex predators, though. Stevemcl 01:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
April fools edit. Sorry for any inconviniance.
User:tomtyke 05.57, 1st April 2006 (BST)
Examples, maybe?
links:
i think http://p4.forumforfree.com/teen2teen.html should be added any objections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.246.41 ( talk) 17:11, 8 September 2006
Could someone add more disadvantages? This is immoral. It's absolutely stupid anyway. I'm getting tired of seeing these stupid, "Sex Texting" on the Cellphone. -- 66.218.11.146 07:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
"Debate continues among moralists on whether cybersex is a form of infidelity." That doesn't seem to take account of the possibility of two committed people in a long-distance relationship, or even a married couple unavoidably separated for a while, having cybersex, which would certainly not be infidelity! Loganberry ( Talk) 04:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
However, recent reports suggests that the Legend, the man himself, Bloodninja, is lurking around in a videogame, StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty by Blizzard Entertainment, on an online-multiplayer interface known as Battle.net, in a chat-channel "Zerg Strategy" Mdwh 20:39, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Bloodninja has closed the book on this. Cybersex is nothing but footnotes to bloodninja.
— Maxtro 02:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Cyber Sex Game is a new wave of cyber sex. As you can not have sex with anyone online, you can try and pursuit different people and have sex with them online. This would be more of a community based and would have the capability of builing a ranking from it. Sex Standing http://www.SexStanding.com is an example of the above. I should also announce that I am linked to Sex Standing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.14.22.153 ( talk) 15:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
what's up with this page and the pictures that people insert, can we get some decent photos people! ;) Elizabethoneall 22:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)eoneall
for real!
Yo yo yo! I'm a rappin' rapper named Mr. Winchester. 23:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
It allows for anonymous review and ranking of sexual experiences. For example a couple that don’t want to announce to the world who they are, can register and rank each time they have had sex without being pressured. Keep in mind that on this website, there is nothing that stops you from using your real full names as your nicknames. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.17.14 ( talk) 15:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Seriously, what's with the pictures in this article? A computer monitor, a webcam, and a keyboard are not really good examples of cybersex, regardless of how they're used in it. Just wondering if anyone had any good justification for those particular pictures. -- clpo13( talk) 05:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I think, from reading the article, a monitor, keyboard and possibly a webcam are what cybersex is all about. But I'd support the replacement of the existig pictures with better ones, if available. -- Simon Speed 20:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Seriously people... c'mon. 99% of this article is POV and focuses on 'CHILD PREDATORS ZOMG!'. The other 1% makes cybersex look negative and whatnot while also managing to do this and that.
I have very little knowledge on the subject. But hopefully some ppl can fix this?. I mean goodgrief, cybersex between a 46 year old and 15 year old over the internet isn't technically illegal. Because It's not a real life sexual encounter. But a 46 year old ENCOURAGING or TELLING a 15 year old to meet him in real life IS illegal since the lowest age of consent in the U.S. is 16...
But cmon, this article is so bad it makes me wanna claw my eyes out. Nateland 16:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to dissapoint, but teen's have sex with teen's online.--
72.74.112.203 (
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I have removed the image. Surely everyone conducting "cybersex" does not sit at the computer nude with a dildo in the person's mouth. Is there a better, more accurate image available? I can make one that is more descriptive and less, for lack of a better word, trashy, if need be. Thoughts? NonvocalScream ( talk) 00:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I regret the removal of the image. The photographer, Peter Klashorst has other concerns than illustration, so his photographs are not always the best for that purpose. However the image did actually manage to illustrate the subject. Now all we have is one little picture of a webcam. I think it is quite wrong to remove illustrations from articles without replacing them with something better. -- Simon Speed ( talk) 12:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
"Since cybersex can satisfy some sexual desires without the risk of sexually transmitted disease or pregnancy, it is a physically safe way for young people to experiment with sexual thoughts and emotions." (...) I had no idea that "experimentation" with "sexual thoughts and emotions" would otherwise explicitly entail that the participants had sex... I believe that the male body experiments with sexual thoughts and emotions all by itself, and I'm pretty sure that it works the same way for women... As for the non-involuntary aspect, there is always the old standby, "talking". Also, there is the discussion-dodging fragment "can satisfy some sexual desires". Come on. What sexual desires are we talking about? Viewing or listening to someone being sexually explicit? It's certainly overtly sexual, but implying that it is a FORM of sex is silly. Asperger, he'll know. ( talk) 04:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
The article makes it sound like all cybersex consists of fantasizing and roleplaying actual sex, but I don't think that's true. For one, camsex really doesn't require much suspension of disbelief. But even with text based cybersex, it's perfectly possible to, say, describe in detail how you're touching yourself, or even give explicit orders on what to do to oneself. Surely this still qualifies? 70.36.140.183 ( talk) 11:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I edited the brief mention of World of Warcraft as it was seriously inaccurate. In WoW, cybering is by no means "widely accepted" - it occurs largely on roleplay servers (which are only a small percent of the servers to begin with), and the "erotic roleplay" community is smallish. The average, traditional roleplayer, when asked, will probably either claim that ERP is not really roleplay and has no place in the community or say that, while they don't participate in it, they don't mind so long as it's private. Public ERP is largely looked down upon. In fact, cybering's technically against WoW's terms of use. However, people are very rarely punished for engaging in ERP, so I changed the term to "largely unmoderated". That's the best term I could use to adequately describe the situation without devoting an entire section to it. Someone else might want to look up the issue in the other games listed to see if they are similarly inaccurate. 74.100.197.20 ( talk) 21:24, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that EVE Online doesn't outlaw cybering like this article says... just saying I have seen cyber prostitutes openly offering their services in Jita and I can't find any kind of statement or documentation from CPP on the issue at all. Nebulance ( talk) 14:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
"In more recent years, there has also been growing concern[according to whom?] that frequently engaging in online relationships (sexual or otherwise) encourages antisocial behavior. This is often attributed to teens or young adults, especially those who are considered, or consider themselves apart from the social norm[vague]. The belief is that, with the ease and anonymity of the Internet, many may choose to interact predominantly with online partners, rather than develop interpersonal relationships with "real life" people.[citation needed]"
This is surely the point of view of somebody who strongly oppose Cybersex (Neutral Point of View guideline, please) WITHOUT *any* proof or source to back this up, being extremely offensive towards those who adopt this pratice. I would like to reword this and say that it COULD result in that sometimes etc but as I'm not good at wording this and I have no sources, I'll just be bold and remove this for now as it serves no purpose but trying to offend cyberers with somebody's point of view without any source. I agree that something in these lines is needed, somebody please do it with neutral point of view and reliable sources. As it is now, simply NO. 189.103.53.72 ( talk) 19:53, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
This line is outdated: "Unlike phone sex, cybersex in chat rooms is rarely commercial". If you look up web sites by popularity, you will see that livejasmin.com is in the top 50 most visited websites in the world. Further, more people visit livejasmin.com than groupon.com, and groupon.com was recently valued at five to twenty billion. Livejasmin.com is only one of many rapidly growing sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muilenta ( talk • contribs) 20:25, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
There are some good historical references (back to 1985 and earlier) mentioned in an AOIR listserv thread which starts here (see also threadsort), if someone wants to follow those up. Jodi.a.schneider ( talk) 03:32, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
So, the signature and only picture for this topic is "A West Midlands Police poster attempting to inform children about how to respond to online sexual abuse".
Yup, that's NPOV right there.
Also odd - the article doesn't mention it at all!
So how about - write a section on this side of things - stick the picture down there to illustrate how it is taken seriously - get a NPOV image for the top picture?
Preferably not a webcam picture... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.225.209 ( talk) 22:09, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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Interesting information on Cybersex: Cybersex
ben bir erkegim 78.170.200.70 ( talk) 05:53, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
The article states the following:
Non-marital, adult, consensual paid cybersex counts as illegal solicitation of prostitution and illegal prostitution in multiple US states.
The source cited is a an old scholarly article (2002), which states in the conclusion:
It remains undecided by the courts whether a person that provides consideration to gain access to an adult Web site and subsequently views a live-sex show, or directs an Internet performer to masturbate, is engaging in criminal behavior.
In other words, the source contradicts the statement asserted in this article. Unless, someone can find a legal case where a person has been prosecuted for cam sex, when all parties were of consenting age, this statement should be removed from the article. 66.68.15.192 ( talk) 05:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Gusto po ako pag pasok ng cybersex kasi ang hirap ng palilya ko 49.149.181.119 ( talk) 15:52, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Link po yan ang cybersex 49.149.181.119 ( talk) 15:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)